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Frustrated with my rainbows

medyssa Jun 17, 2006 02:12 PM

I have a gorgeous pair of rainbows but I cant get them to breed. My awesome orange male just doesnt seem to have any interest in my female, although he did earlier this year. My female keeps getting lumps in her upper body, but they go away so I think they are eggs that might be reabsorbed. This is my first breeding project and I have just gotten frustrated with these two. I dont know if male snakes can get infertile when they get older, but the person I bought this snake from said it is only about 6 or 7 years old and my female is about the same age. WHAT CAN I DO?
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Jess
1.1 adult brazilian rainbows
1.0 normal corn
1.0 african brown house snake
0.1 hypo Boa constrictor
0.1 normal boa constrictor
0.1 normal ball python
1.1 crested geckos

Oodles of mice
1.1 paranoid parents "too many snakes!"

Replies (5)

rainbowsrus Jun 17, 2006 06:20 PM

BRB breeding 101, not to be used as gospel, only documenting how I did it.

My recipe for BRB breeding. Not sure what is working, this season (2005) from 2.7 adults I had 6 viable litters and one slug/still born litter. Total of 136 babies. This is what I did.

Cage:

I made this cage to be expandable. It has 8 roughly 2' x 2' x18" sections. There is 4" PVC that connects all the sections together, one vertical run on each side and a pass through between the top two and the bottom two cage sections. All these pipes have threaded ends and can be closed off as required.



Please note these are old pics. Not of the 2005 breeding season. The small boxes on the left were some babies on hold and there were even a pair of Ball Pythons housed on the right.

Typical setups are on the right side, top and third down, now all 8 sections are set up the same.

Normally all sections are blocked off and I house each individual in it's own section.

Substrate/water/hides:
I was using newspaper and just recently (mid breeding season) switched to indented craft paper. Each cage gets a sweater box for hide/moss. The box gets about an inch of peat moss well dampened and another inch of green moss also nice and damp. There is also a two gallon squat water bowl with about 1 to 2 inches of water I place on top of the hide.

Heating:
I heat the cage they bred in this year with 60 Watt light bulbs. I've heard this is not optimal and have heard stories about snakes getting burned but I've never had any problem. Still my new second cage has underneath heat with no light bulbs. My cage thermostat is set to 80 degrees and the whole room ends up this temp ( I know, no temp gradient but it is working ). Also the thermostat is on a timer and shuts off at night for nighttime cooling. The downstairs room they occupy was built as a guest bedroom and has full insulation so it does cool off but does not get cold.

Feeding/Cleaning.
I usually feed on a two week, give or take, schedule. I feed F/K as I raise my own feeders. Also sometimes feast/famine as I raise my own feeders. I usually check the cages daily and clean as necessary. More so during "eating" season. The hide boxes get checked/changed frequently as they like to poop in the moss maybe to wipe their butt?

Breeding cycle:
Around Thanksgiving I started dropping my daytime temps over a week or so from 80 to 75. Still keeping all snakes separate. (BTW, I am in San Jose CA, does not get real cold here so I have to use the middle of the winter as my cooling time) Kept this way still feeding cleaning etc. until Valentines day. On 02/14 I cranked the thermostat back up to 80 and arranged my breeding colonies. For this year, I opened up both of the vertical runs on the sides but kept the pass through blocked. In effect, had two four cage sections. On one Side I put my male M5 along with 4 females and the other got my male Porky along with the remaining 3 adult females. Within days I saw evidence of breeding but did not observe any actual copulation. Left it that way for some time during which all the snakes stopped eating. Not sure when, may have been April, after all breeding activity had stopped I closed off all the pipes, isolated all the females and prepared for the long wait.

Birthing:
As soon as I find/notice babies I remove them from the mothers cage. Their next care depends on the state of the litter. For example this year:

One litter was found all out cruising the cage none still attached to yolk or umbilical. I put these babies directly into shoe boxes.

Three litters were found in the hide, full term with minimal or no yolks. I let the babies work them selves free of the egg sacks and umbilical then place each baby in it's shoe box.

Note: one baby was a "preemie" with large yolk and was not coming out of sack. I transferred this baby sack and all to it's shoe box, kept it VERY damp and let it finish the yolk off over two days.

One litter was laid in the water bowl. I strained the water out and dumped the whole slime pile with babies into a sweater box and kept them in there for a day till I was ready to transfer them into shoe boxes.

In the past I have had litters with some yolk still, those are best to just leave alone and let the babies absorb as much yolk as they can.

Vacation:
Thought I'd mention that when I'm planning on being gone, I stop feeding two weeks prior to leaving and don't feed again until I return. This helps keep the mess to a minimum while I'm not there to clean it up.

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Thanks,

Dave Colling
www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
10.22 BRB
10.15 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

medyssa Jun 18, 2006 09:23 PM

Hey Guys,
thanks for the posts, I came home a few hours ago to get the surprise of my life! Five babies in with my female. I never expected that! There were 5-6 slugs in the mess of her moss container where she had the babies, unfortunately one was born with no eyes. As soon as I had gotten over the intial shock I rushed them over to a friend who breeds red tails and had him take a look at them. He thinks that the eyeless one should do fine, just not one that I can sell, obviously. I'm still pretty speechless. If i knew how to post pictures of them I would. I'll figure it out later I'm sure. Also, I have read Dave's guide, its been by my snake cage since I found it on here and I referenced it a lot, which was why I was getting a bit frustrated.
All is well now though!

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Jess
1.1 adult brazilian rainbows
1.0 normal corn
1.0 african brown house snake
0.1 hypo Boa constrictor
0.1 normal boa constrictor
0.1 normal ball python
1.1 crested geckos

Oodles of mice
1.1 paranoid parents "too many snakes!"

Jeff Clark Jun 18, 2006 09:57 PM

Jess,
...Congratulations! I have had a couple BRBs and CRBs born with either one or no eyes. I gave a couple of them away and sold a couple cheap. They would eat and seemed almost as good as the fully sighted babies at finding their meals. They would do okay for awhile but none of them lived beyond two years of age. I am not sure what the long term problem was with them.
Jeff

>>Hey Guys,
>>thanks for the posts, I came home a few hours ago to get the surprise of my life! Five babies in with my female. I never expected that! There were 5-6 slugs in the mess of her moss container where she had the babies, unfortunately one was born with no eyes. As soon as I had gotten over the intial shock I rushed them over to a friend who breeds red tails and had him take a look at them. He thinks that the eyeless one should do fine, just not one that I can sell, obviously. I'm still pretty speechless. If i knew how to post pictures of them I would. I'll figure it out later I'm sure. Also, I have read Dave's guide, its been by my snake cage since I found it on here and I referenced it a lot, which was why I was getting a bit frustrated.
>>All is well now though!
>>
>>
>>-----
>>Jess
>>1.1 adult brazilian rainbows
>>1.0 normal corn
>>1.0 african brown house snake
>>0.1 hypo Boa constrictor
>>0.1 normal boa constrictor
>>0.1 normal ball python
>>1.1 crested geckos
>>
>>Oodles of mice
>>1.1 paranoid parents "too many snakes!"

rainbowsrus Jun 24, 2006 08:31 PM

Hey Jess, glad to hear she dropped a viable litter for you, I've bee n away fortha last week and been going trough KS withdrawels...LOL

Glad my "guide" was of any help!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling
www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
10.22 BRB
10.15 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Jeff Clark Jun 17, 2006 09:27 PM

Jess,
...Read Dave's "Breeding 101" post several times and think about the smallest details. Do you have really good control of the temperatures during the cooling period? Does your female have plenty of weight before introducing the male for breeding? My females never have palpable lumps in the forward part of the body. Usually the males mate repeatedly with them for several weeks or longer and then around the time the males lose interest or a few weeks later the females look lumpy in the back half of their bodies and start acting gravid. Males can produce babies after they are 20 years old. Some males are poor breeders all their lives. I have some other subspecies of Rainbow Boas that will not reproduce for me. Rather than being frustrated with the snakes I am looking at what I am doing in their husbandry that may be causing the problem. If breeding Rainbow Boas was easy everyone who keeps them would be producing loads of babies and we would all have to give them away for free.
Good luck,
Jeff

>>I have a gorgeous pair of rainbows but I cant get them to breed. My awesome orange male just doesnt seem to have any interest in my female, although he did earlier this year. My female keeps getting lumps in her upper body, but they go away so I think they are eggs that might be reabsorbed. This is my first breeding project and I have just gotten frustrated with these two. I dont know if male snakes can get infertile when they get older, but the person I bought this snake from said it is only about 6 or 7 years old and my female is about the same age. WHAT CAN I DO?
>>-----
>>Jess
>>1.1 adult brazilian rainbows
>>1.0 normal corn
>>1.0 african brown house snake
>>0.1 hypo Boa constrictor
>>0.1 normal boa constrictor
>>0.1 normal ball python
>>1.1 crested geckos
>>
>>Oodles of mice
>>1.1 paranoid parents "too many snakes!"

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