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i wanted to know are these still considered a hypo morph. i got a adult trio and 1.1 are really light glowing brown with blue gray markings and the other females pattern is normal just a plain brown and her markings are just white. so i think the pattern is dominant cause ive babies kerby produced by breeding his ghost to albinos and other morphs and the babies all come out with the ghost pattern, but then all of these snakes are het hypo..?.. well if they are hypos then i produced the first hybino
ghost pattern king, my hypo pair of ghost layed good eggs and they are pipping right now and to my surprised i saw a albino head out of the eggs. iam goiNG to post pics after they are out of the eggs

Jesus Alonso
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**i wanted to know are these still considered a hypo morph.**

Not sure if it is a form of hypomelanism or not, but it is recessive. There is a difference in appearance between my male and my female.

**so i think the pattern is dominant cause ive babies kerby produced by breeding his ghost to albinos and other morphs and the babies all come out with the ghost pattern, but then all of these snakes are het hypo..?..**

There are two(2) things going on with these Ghost cal kings, just like the hypermelanistics (Davis, Mendota). One is the recessive gene and the other is the pattern. As with the Mendotas/Davis cal kings, the aberrant pattern FOLLOWS the hypermelanistic gene. I have never produced any double hets (Ghost & albino) that have the "Ghost pattern" that you mentioned. Last year I used and Albino High White (an aberrancy) male with my female Ghost. Seven (7) babies with 5 being albino, 100% het for Ghost. The 2 other ones (double hets) had the same aberrant pattern. This aberrant pattern came from the Albino High White, and maybe from the Ghost as well. Obviously my female Ghost is 100% het for albino, which would make sense as Brian from B.H.B. said he outcrossed (other cal kings) them in the 1990's.

**ive babies kerby produced by breeding his ghost to albinos and....**

Are you insinuating that you have babies that I have produced with the Ghost gene in them?

**well if they are hypos then i produced the first hybino
ghost pattern king, my hypo pair of ghost layed good eggs and they are pipping right now and to my surprised i saw a albino head out of the eggs.**

What would make you think that would make it a "hybino"? It appears that both of your Ghost cal kings are 100% het for albino, then your odds of producing a cal king with both traits at the same time (Ghost & albino) would be 1/16. My question is: can we tell the difference between an albino and a albino Ghost (hybino)? Please post pics of the babies!

Kerby...

I agree with Kerby. I would like to see pictures of the ENTIRE clutch. Maybe you will have something in that clucth that may not look different to you but some of us have a trained eye on these traits.

well i totally understand where you coming from, but what iam saying is if you see my trio you could clearly see which are the hypo versions and which is the normal one, and i didnt breed, my ghost to anything else but back to each other, and my 1.1 pair that are both hypo appearing i say hypo cause they are a really nice glowing light brown with blue gray marking, while the other normal female is a darker plain brown and her markings are white. the pair that produced the albino was the hypo looking pair the entire clutch didnt hatch yet but the albino came out of the egg and it appears to have no pattern. two other ghost also are pipping now. so now what iam saying is if you breed two hypo animals het albino to each other what do you get, you get 75%hypos and 25%hybinos

iam going to post pics of them when they all come out of the eggs for some reason my camera doesnt takes good pictures of albino animals but ill try to post some tomorrow

**but what iam saying is if you see my trio you could clearly see which are the hypo versions and which is the normal one**

I would like to see the pics because Ghost are Ghost with variations as no 2 are alike.

**and my 1.1 pair that are both hypo appearing i say hypo cause they are a really nice glowing light brown with blue gray marking, while the other normal female is a darker plain brown and her markings are white.**

So is my female. I need to take updated pics. I believe the pics on my site are with my old camera.

**the pair that produced the albino was the hypo looking pair the entire clutch didnt hatch yet but the albino came out of the egg and it appears to have no pattern. two other ghost also are pipping now.**

Can't wait to see the pics! It will be easier to evaluate then.

Kerby...

Last year I bred my male Ghost (aberrant pattern) to a Mendota (hypermelanistic) (aberrant pattern) and produced ALL BANDED babies that are double hets (Ghost & hypermelanistic). This leads me to believe that the aberrant pattern in the Ghost does not show up in the first clutch, but follows the recessive gene. They do look different though. On some the bands (white) are getting browner, and a couple have a Ghostish look to their heads.

This year I bred my male Ghost to an Albino High Yellow female and to a Albino High White Reverse Stripe female. I used my hypo male (Great Valley Serpentarium "Lavender" to breed to my female Ghost.

I can't breed every possible combination every year with so many special projects, so I will have to be patient in producing ALL the double het possibilities out there. Then comes the quad hets, etc... LOL

Kerby...