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Is it just me, or was the entire blue tegu thing a bad dream for everyone?

except for that website it's been bred, I've never seen a "really blue" blue tegu.
I know, it does "shine" a bit blueish.
For the blue tegu that I know, that's about it!

please, someone, prove me wrong with your beautiful "blue" tegu!!!

I can prove you wrong, but I have 3 of them that are blue. But in pics it doesnt show. The problem is tegus are very polymorphic there color can varry more than most people realise. my blues color changes daily. usually the top of the head is where you see that true blue. but it depends on the day, I dont know what drives the color change, I think it may be temperature, when basking it tends to show less. but coming out of a burrow it is very blue.

So you are saying, when basking they look like argentine BW, but when they are just awake, they show good blue color.

humm... that I never knew.

I thought that the color of blue tegus must be more like the colors of the red tegus. but oh wells, I guess I'm wrong in this one

do you have the picture of your very blue tegu?
I would love to see them!

Thanks!
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they never look like a B&W the color and pattern is worlds apart. and as I said the blue never show in pictures

Strange you say that, because every herpetologist I've met tells me they look exactly the same as Arg B&W's, just a slightly different hue. The black color patterning is the same, the scale counts are supposedly the same, what's so different about them?

This is the never ending debate. I havent been on here in a while. this always gets people in a up roar. My opinion (which is just a opinion)Is that there either a colar morph of the agr tegu , or its own spieces. It has more of the markings of southeren tegus then northeren tegus.So untile the scientific community decides what they are we can just have fun debating about it.

i dont believe the B&W theory i think they are more likely a variant of t. duseni (see link at bottom of post) both species are located in brazil. but until anyone can find better info on duseni it will probably just remain my theory lol
compare a blue male to this duseni. they large black patch that is on blues behind the arm is identical to this specimen. which is actually closest to the red tegu, and used to be considered un the t.rufescens label. just something to ponder

P.S. good seeing you again russ

http://www.ib.usp.br/~crinog/pages/Tupinambis duseni campo PNE site_JPG.htm

It is quite debatable isnt it?
Since I bought Ron st Pierre's first blue babies at IRBA show in SanDiego back in the day, people have been arguing about them...

but the hatchlings don't have green heads, and their not-so-docile temperment, I could partially agree to the duseni argument...
tho i have never seen a duseni... even at shows...

does anyone own them?
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Duseni are pretty rare in the pet trade they a cities required animal. or cites however that is spelled. The best shot at finding one would be in europe

>>compare a blue male to this duseni. they large black patch that is on blues behind the arm is identical to this specimen. which is actually closest to the red tegu, and used to be considered un the t.rufescens label. just something to ponder

Hmmm, interesting. That duseni also shows the black patch on the nose which is another trait of blues.
I have to admit that picture looks a lot like my blues.

mine too. i keep digging for more pics of duseni, i think i have found a wopping 5. i do have a copy of the latest science article on them that i got from some field researcher. but i dont understand a lot of the scale counts and other stuff.... im not a scientist lol

I talked two a guy who was in Brazil studing Arg Blk & whts. And he says some of the merinia(spelling) Have black spots on there nose as well. So the whole spot on the nose thing dosent fly. I had a blue female and my friend who was a Herp majoe At UC Berkley did here scale counts and they came up the same as A Ag black and White . Also my freind who was in Brazil said That the guy down there who had been Studying Tegus for 30 years Says That Blues are Just a different colar morph of the Tup Merinea(spelling aka Arg blk &wht. I will post a picture of a Blk And White from the region of Brazil he was. Yopu guys can Tell me what you think.take care Russ

The picture is in Bitmap. So they wont let me load it in.If anybody wants to see this picture(which is very compelling)Email me @russpettit@yahoo.com.Russ

Let me know what you guys think!

Did you look at the pic of T.duseni. both pics are very compelling. but simply there is no proof either way. but the duseni theory does explain why we have blue crossing ith reds and not black and white. duseni used to be categorized under t.rufescens.

I have seen pictures of THe yellow tegu( have some in my tegu folder) Agian look at the picture.The head shure looks pretty close to a blue to me.also Take a lock at some of the larger male blues .They look just like Argentins. Like I said either they are there own spec or a morph tropical form of the Southeren Blk& wht.now as far as the whole cross breeding with a red who knows why, and mabye this will or will not help, who knows.there is a expert in brazil(forgot his name) Who the guy I know was working with this guy ,and he said that every picyure of a blue that he showed him, the guy said they were Meranea(spelling). I know of a breeder who has bred the blues and Blk&whts toghether, but none of the embryos ever hatched, but there were full size embryos.So what does this mean ?I have know Idea. Untill the scintific community decides ,Its is all Speculation.

Here are two pictures of the same large male blue.and of of the three pics of yellow tegu

here are two other pictures of yellow s

and a cople of my Santiago

cant resist posting santiago can ya lol he is awesome looking.

the one picture did have a similar head shape to that of a blue. one of these days someone will figure it out. there are just signs that point in every direction lol. some blue have the size of black and whites too. my male is 48" on the dot, which is mostly unheard of for a blue. but my females are lucky to be 3'

i dont really like the idea of crossing species but that may be he only way to find out. cross blue with duseni and see what happens. but that wont ever happen they are too rare