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Are there any varieties that look like an eastern? I particularly like the all black eastern look.

If you cannot keep an eastern, I'd go for a D. m erebennus (Texas indigo) or D. m rubidus (Mexican west coast indigo) I find the latter harbors teh most semblence to a black D. couperi. Should you not be able to find either of of the Drys I have indicated, you may want to look into acquiring Lampropeltis t gaigeae(black milk snake), L. g nigritus (Mexican black king snake) or P. m lodingi (black pine snake).

Best regards,

Jeff

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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

My little project.... Mussuranas. However, if legality of keeping Eastern Indigos is the problem, the same problems will probably occur with the mussies.

Doug T

You are absolutely right, on both counts! Of course, I try not to think too much about the Mu's, as I need another high maintenance snake like I need another hole in the head, but then again, I do have a couple of empty enclosures! ;0)

Take care,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

These would probably push you right over the edge. The care is pretty much the same as indigos... and we know you're pushing the limits of sanity with your collection now.

But you do have empty enclosures

Doug T
Doug Taylor Reptiles

Which of these is temperment wise the closest? I think Indigo's are amazingly non-aggressive and good mannered.

And being Indigo size isn't neccessary. I think a full size Eastern is about my limit for a snake!

Both D. m erebennus and D. m rubidusare generally very docile creatures, though disposition is highly individualistic. There are a few folks who have indicated specimens representing both of the subspecies indicated have demonstrated defensive behavior. However, I do know that Zoo Atlanta once had a male D. couperi, which they maintained within a huge indoor naturalistic environment complete with a gopher tortoises and burrows, which would literally chase anyone who dared entered the facility.
All of my D. couperi, D. m erebennus and D. m rubidus are very docile, though I do have one large male D. m rubidus that, while not overly defensive, can be a bit "sheepish". The rest, including the new mottled male I acquired from the Gladys Porter Zoo, are incredibly docile.

Best regards,

Jeff

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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

Anyone wanting great TXN's needs to get one of this guy's offspring..I sent him to Jeff a couple of years ago and now Jeff says he's going to bust 9' this year and he's a pussycat..
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Carl W Gossett
Garage Door Herps
Monument,Colorado...northern territory of the Great Republic of Texas

Whos snakes are you referring to?

Jeff Snogress..
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Carl W Gossett
Garage Door Herps
Monument,Colorado...northern territory of the Great Republic of Texas

So long as I have a good belay, I don’t mind going over the edge! ;0) And yes! I do have a couple of empty enclosures! Muahahahaha!!
By the way, Alan B. sent me a photo of his Mu feeding! I'm trying to determine whether this is negative or positive "peer pressure". Either way, beautiful animals indeed...

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

You don't go over the edge, you go "Over the Top"

I didn't put Alan B up to sending you pic's... but I hope it's working. Muahahahaha back to you.

Doug T
Doug Taylor Reptiles

A friend of mine is a long term Indigo keeper but had to get rid of them do to moving to Florida. In addition the Black Milks and Pines he wanted some of my Gonyosoma janseni from Seleyar. I have not worked with Indigos in years but I can see some similarity.

Here is a picture (not mine).

Not nearly as tame as a Black Milk or Black Pine.
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Current snakes:

0.0.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - Java locale (green)

2.2 Gonyosoma janseni - Seleyar locale (all black)