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Is the lemon king t-? what is the standard lav alb line... t ? I do not know.

Posted by: daveb at Sat Jun 24 19:47:22 2006 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Is the lemon king t-? what is the standard lav alb line... t ? I do not know

The Lemon king is a T negative albino. It is the one with red eyes. The T is the lavender albino.

The Lemon king is crossed with a calif king to get the amel blood. At least that what I beleive. Then breeders bred the calif out by breeding back to florida kings while retaining the "red eye" albino gene out. Most of these "fakes" I have seen in florida shows are obvious crosses. BUT then there are some that "look" just like the real deal. I fell into this mistake a few years back (see pic below) by purchasing a pair of T negative florida kings that are pure white with pink. I paid over $2000 as beonates for them. The story checks out but I still have my doubts. Maybe they are pure but I am not convinced even if it means I loose interest and money on this investment.

All the lavender albinos are a calif king cross as well. Its just that herpetoculture wants to beleive they are pure and has accpeted them as pure but the origins and history as extremely suspect. Which is fine by me because when breeding back to a certain subspecies a few times the animal involved becomes that as a whole again. At least thats what detectable by dna and how the snake looks and acts. Just the recessive gene is passed on.

I beleive the only pure genes in florida kings are the axanthic/anerythristic, hypomelanistic and Peanut Butter.

Just noticed that kingsnake.com does not allow the positve symbol after the T ...negative.(?)This makes my above posts hard to understand.

Hope this did not confuse anyone.

> All the lavender albinos are a calif king cross as well. Its just
> that herpetoculture wants to beleive they are pure and has
> accpeted them as pure but the origins and history as extremely
> suspect.

That's really a shame.
I do not mind people hybridizing different subspecies.
I even do not mind people hybridizing species that are close.
But they should not then try to pass off the offspring as something they are not.

Beautiful snakes, btw.

>>I beleive the only pure genes in florida kings are the axanthic/anerythristic, hypomelanistic and Peanut Butter.

how do you feel about the origin of sulfurs and/or sulfur lavenders and whitesides?
daveb

Dave, regarding the sulfurs, they are a naturally occuring phase of brooksi and don't have a bit of any other subspecies in them......now as for the WS and lavenders I have no clue and make no such comment.

A person who was directly partnered with the originator told me these were creations. It comes down to who you beleive.

I was also one of the first people to get the WS blackrats (aka Licorice stick ratsnakes) from George Miskimmon and worked with the Whitesided Blackrat gene for several years. I even crossed them into the Whitesided everglades and found the gene to be allelic. I have the WS brooksi line in my collection and have my suspicions just by observing how they grow, act and look compared to other florida kings.

Sorry thats all I will say on here. Email me privatly if you want.

.....it's good that you posted as you did. I appreciate the info and all. You know my "gut feeling" about most of the morphs.
It seems that there was a "coincidence" with a few. I mean, w/s came about in various species at nearly the same time. Much as albinos did. That led me to be suspicious of many. I remember albino holbrooki long before any FL kings and knew it wouldn't be long before that gene found its way into floridana. Same with the Cal king albinos. I don't think anyone was really trying to fool anyone else but just experimenting back then. I dunno.
The fact that you are willing to represent your animals as what they are is commendable and noteworthy.
When you have doubts it seems, you're apt to be open rather than not. Some breeders obviously are not. Maybe with no specific agenda, but it only makes things more confusing if they are less than honest.
Let's call a spade a shovel, huh?
Thanks.
:Mark
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