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I know that any phase parent can generate all three phase offspring, I was wondering if there seemed to be a consistent ratio for the number of each phase in a given clutch and if the phase of the parent(s) changed that.
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1.1 Red Bloods (Cartman and Bebe)
0.1 Boa Constrictor (Victoria)
0.1 Albino Burm (Butters)
0.0.1 Desert King (Miles)

all the phases are basically graded lavender... there is nothing more different genetically, except the more black the HET animal has, the more dark the albino, and the more silver the HET animal has the lighter the albino - or more white.

so simply speaking:

white phase is a really light lavender.

lavender is, well... lavender (except you got light lavender and dark lavender).

... and purple is very very dark lavender.

i remember people use to say that the clark lavender threw both T neg, T pos, and lavender babies... i dont believe that is true.

now we have the Amel (true T -), the Caramel (true T ), and the lavender ~ which is the normal (multi~graded) albino.

Yes, i'd say your right. And EVERY Snake Lover should have a Pair of these Awesome Animals!!

Thanks for the responses, and yes everybody should have a pair...maybe when I win the lottery
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1.1 Red Bloods (Cartman and Bebe)
0.1 Boa Constrictor (Victoria)
0.1 Albino Burm (Butters)
0.0.1 Desert King (Miles)

Umm...well, a white and orange albino retic looks nothing like a lavender or a purple or a Baldogo Amel strain or a carmel..so, my thought is that they are their own phases, and being that they have been bred now for a while,u prove that there is different strains of albino. I wouldnt rush and say that a white and orange albino retic, or any other albino retic, is just a different looking "lavender". And how,exactly, does the fact that a "het" for albinos "black" coloration determine the color of the albino babies it produces? I am just curious if you can explain that to me, because I dont see it.

there is something going on that i catn explian...

but the Amel is a TRue T(-)...

and, the blonde is a TRue T )...

...the lavender is something that goes in between.

in the multi-phase albinos, the more black the retic... the more melanine - and hence, more purple.

ever notice that high silver hets have a lot of white phase babies?

blonde is a true T( )

sorry this keyboard sucks.

That actually makes perfect sense to me now that I think about it. I've always wondered how four distinct 'phases' of albinism can be present from the same breeding out of the same strain. Now thinking of it as graded levels of melanin being produced, it makes sense. The only thing you have to figure out is how a clutch can contain one or all four phases from the same breeding. Obviously that involves crossing over and such among the parents' chromosomes. I wonder though, whenever twins are produced, are they always of the same phase? They should be. If not, that makes it *much* more confusing!
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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com

Well I can't say for certain for this gene, but there are a lot of examples where when you knock out a control element in an organism's physiology, other parts revert to a standard bell curve type effect. The other, and in my opinion more likely, explaination is that the gene that is mutated to make the albino trait is separate from the gene(s) that make the lavander pigment. In the same way that a given normal phase retic can have varying amounts of black or silver, it makes sense that those same genes could control the amount of the purple coloration in albinos. It just shows up differently when you take out the other colors.
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1.1 Red Bloods (Cartman and Bebe)
0.1 Boa Constrictor (Victoria)
0.1 Albino Burm (Butters)
0.0.1 Desert King (Miles)

That all sounds good, but I have had all three phases hatch in the same clutch and all the normal hets look exactly the same in the clutch. I have had this it happen more than once in my breeding experiences. I have also had purples lay babies from the brightest white to the darkest purple in the same clutch. It seems the Clark strain gene can be influenced by temperature, selective breeding, and other unknown causes, unlike the other strains. That is why out of all the strains I have, the multicolored Clark strain is my favorite. I like that you get it all in one package. Bob bred a caramel albino to a caramel albino and created another form of a white phase which would suggest that the animal will darken with age or will be able to create multiple strains from another new line. The genetics of the normal that are mixed with the albinism has a great effect on the outcome of the colors, this being very prevalent in the dwarf albinos and I’m sure the albino genetic stripe will also make some crazy new colors. We will be seeing plenty of new and exciting colors in the next 18 months.

Aren’t Retic cool

My roomates het albino to albino clutch just hatched a few weeks ago...and the female het is from NERD and she has alot of silver in her, and all, I mean ALL of the babies were either purple or lavender. About six were the "true" purples we see for more money, and the rest were lavenders. Not one white and orange in the WHOLE clutch. All fourteen albinos were one or the other, no in between, and NO white and orange phases. I was amazed by this, still dont understand it, but...it was great for him to produce these beautiful animals. AND, oh by the way...the male albino used to breed her was a white and orange phase. A fourteen foot, high white and orange phase male who had successfully bred both years before. So, even though he use a white and orange, he produced NO white and orange babies. I dont get it, but, I guess thats the beauty of genetics.