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Hi from Montreal Canada ,

I got this litter from a LTC central female that was originaly imported here in Canada by a well known Importer in Montreal in a mexican shipement à long time ago. I got her last year from a friend that agreed to sell it to me ( Simon Hamelin ) , he got it from ( Martin Tremblay ) who had it with ( Hector Vandorn R.I.P ) who got it from the Importer in Montreal.

I thought I would give her try , Martin T bred it to a colombian and she gave 14 normal babies.

Well , she gave 19 babies with me this year 15 normals , 1 anery , 2 salmons and one Ghost ( my view ) about a month ago....

She went with an adult het ghost I got in 2005 from Jeremy Stone ( the only true penetration i've seen and i'm glad he bred.... Jeremy, when you say a snake is a breeder it really is one and same things for genetics ! Thanks alot for selling it to me with the possible dom. yellowish one.... he still is Gorgeous and puts more and more yellow in him ! ) Before the het anery she went with an albino , with a super salmon , and the possible super the second from Jeremy ....

Hopefully some of the babies ( the 15 normals ) got some albino genetics in them. It happend with a clutch of Normal X Spider X Pastel Balls and there was both pastels and spiders in the clutch that Simon Hamelin did last year with our spider .....

I totaly didint get the due date right.... She gave birth at 167 days P.O.S which is impossible. I saw true penetration about 3 weeks a month after P.O.S with the het anery ( after all the others males were finished ) and it is the only "true" penetration I saw.

All the "morphs" that came out , the anery, the ghost and the 2 salmons had huge sacs. The ghost had even a tight knot ( as you can see on pics ) around his belly and I had to cut the ombelical cord which was way to big for cutting at that point to set it free from the sac. All the 15 others had normal digested sacs with only thin ombelical cords as in normal litters that did their time and came out after a normal period of incubation.

This and the miscalculated due date ,is why I think that the albino got to fertilise some follicules before the het ghost. Probably a double ovulation or maybe some unfertilised ova that remained unfertilised that were still ok for fertilisation who know's..... If the Super Salmon , or the possible super fertilised I would have had around 1/2 salmons in that litter....

Is there any opinions on this ? I thought the two types were not compatible ?????

Here is a pic of that litter .

Here's another one were you can clearely see the knot around the ghost .....

The ghost again on the mother , with a beer bottle for size comparison ....

The female just before parturition....

The anery died shortly after , I also took some pics of it even dead , I'll post some.... The Ghost didint shed yet I thought loosing it but is doing better now giving him water with a seringe and his first pinky.... I'll take pics of this one too , soon ....

Thanks,
Stav

Stav,

That is INCREDIBLE. Actually, it isn't FOR Sure known if the two genes are compatible because there has been very little documentations of breedings with the two genes. Very few people have done it, and nobody has given the results other then 1 other person that I know, and that is Bill Kirby. He did something similar with an animal I sent him on breeder loan, and he seemed to prove the genes were Compatible. (Type 1 and 2 Anerythrisitcs).
Now you have done it for sure, and it looks like they are for SURE Compatible. Very cool. Thanks for sharing. I wonder if there are a few different Type 2 genes. I know I have several different Type 2 genes from different Locations from all over Central American and Mexico. I haven't bred them together to find out, but I hope to do some breedings in the next few years to help answer many questions I have.

You can see in your breeding they are CLEARLY Anerythristics in your litter. You can also see your female is a Central Type 2 Anerythristic, and the Columbian is represented Well in your litter. You can also see the Type 1 or Columbian Anery is influenced in your litter. I have noticed in MANY breedings from CA to Columbian, that the Columbian has a stronger representation then the CA does. When doing 50 percent to 50 percent, most the babies resemble Columbians more then they do the CA.

You are right about the litter being sired by a Multiple Males. That is a strong possiblity in your litter. I have done this 3 different times with Boas, and 1 time with Balls, and so it definatly can happen.

This is very informative Stav, and quite a nice breakthrough. It looks like it is pretty conclusive that the genes are compatible. I wonder if ALL type 2's are. I don't see why not, but you never know. Thank you very much for sharing your breedings here in the Forum. Awesome information. Any other thoughts? I look forward to seeing others repsonses or opinions.

Jeremy Stone

To be honest...i used to care if they were compatible, but now i do not care much if they ARE compatible or not, for one major reason... CENTRAL AMERICANS SEEM TO DO BETTER IN GENERAL (breed earlier and more successfully, stay more "lean" and dont develop fatty deposits as easily, amazing feeders, etc.).. so mixing them helps make some of the colombian morphs .. such as the albinos .. stronger!! not only that, it helps keep them at a more managable size and plus the influence that they do have leads to longer tails and heavier patterning which adds to more variable boas with heavier contrast when morphs are mixed in ... plus the type 2's might also be axanthic which would lead to way better and cleaner snows/blizzards.. well they will lead to better anyway b/c central american morphs seem to be more uniform with color morphs bc their body , not just saddles, tend to develop much more color then colombians...

ANYWAY THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS .. MR.STONE .. ANY THOUGHTS ON MY TWO CENTS ?? ANYONE .. ANY THOUGHTS???

THANKS

Congrats on the litter! Andy
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some sort of compatibility between the lines you bred. I do think that there is more to the story with the Type II's that needs to be figured out. We've had some interesting litters here recently and I'm waiting for them to shed so I can post pictures but they raise questions about the possibility of different types of Type II's and whether certain looks are even anery at all. These little mysteries are where boas are the most fun! lol
Congrats on the beautiful litter btw and good luck with them!
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Maybe some Type II Anerys are compatible to Colombians, while others are not. There are a few reasons I come to this conclusion. First is that the Type II Anerys come from a variety of locales over a very wide geographic range. Some do get brown a little as they age, others stay black, silver, gray, and white.

Also, your female was from Mexico, I think Bill's was El Salvador (Bill correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it your Blood that ended up being dh Pewter that gave you the litter we are talking about?).

I know the matriarch to Jeremy's Blizzard project has to be (in my eyes) the best anery ever. I fully expect her to prove Axanthic. What I want to know is if the Type IIs from this line are compatible with Colombian Anerys. That would be cool if they were, and I wouldn't be surprised. Since the original breeding was Colombian X Nicaraguan the lineage is 50% Colombian. Some of the Anerys I have seen from the line look more like Colombian Anerys, while others look like Jeremy's matriarch Nicaraguan. I bought one last year, and I would say he is right in the middle.

This is FUN STUFF! I would like to see someone breed a Type II from the Blizzard project to a Colombian Anery het Albino, and see if we can produce a live Blizzard, or something on those lines. I just want to see what the Anerys look like from such a breeding (if they are related, as it seems they are). Since it would be Anery X Anery (I X II), we would know for SURE if the two are compatible.

Thanks all for nice words

Jeremy .... I think like you , I think that there's more than one gene involved in this breeding maybe axanthic too ?. I placed the 15 "normal"
looking ones with some friends ( I cannot keep them all ) to see what comes out of them in futur breedings . For sure they will be all bred back together and see if a "blizzard" comes out .

Here's some pics of the "Anery" (if we can call it like that) that I think is the only anery in the batch. It didint have any red in it but also no yellow., it had the "purple" colours like in ghosts on the tail. I've never produced ghosts yet other than the one in this litter, but it looks like the pics of some anerys and ghosts babies we see on the net. The difference with the ghost sibbling is the black around the saddles of the tail past the cloaqua like in anerys. I took the pictures the next day ( it died ) .....

No brown or reds in the eyes as well. The "normals" have some and in the tails too. ( I'll take some pics of the normals as well. )

A bigger shot of the eyes ....

And a pic I took of the ghost.... It looks dehydrated but its not, he just didint shed yet . I make sure it drinks from a seringe and he got his first pinky. I'll wait till its going into a shed and take more pics after it sheds ( or I make it shed ) ....

Any other toughts ?

( sorry my english is bad )

Stav