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The makers of crofab began trading on NASDAQ in Sep 05, I was wondering if anyone here invested, and If you think longterm growth is likely.

Cheers,
Jason

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Jason L. Dobry
Research Associate
College of Veterinary Medicine
Department of Veterinary Comparative Anatomy, Pharmacology and Physiology
Washington State University

Highly doubtful, unless people want to give their money away.
With their problems in recent years....shortages because of tainted batches, and the fact that the stuff isn't that effective, I'd say it's a terrible gamble.

Looking to throw $$ away huh?

At the IHS I asked all of the Zoo keepers in attendance what they use for domestic snakebite...they use Bioclone because is works and is cheap!! Only the poor saps that have to use CroFab. It is totally panned by anyone who keeps snakes or treats snakebite. The only reason Biclone has not replaced CroFab is that Bioclone will not be approved by the FDA till 2007/2008 unless CroFab is no longer available.

Al
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Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

I've been out of the loop for a while (finishing school, and getting a job), but I had thought that crofab was getting good reviews. I had a friend that was treated for a north pacific bite last year and I think he would say that it was a good product (although he doesn't have anything to personally compare with) This is good to know, though.

Cheers,
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Jason L. Dobry
Research Associate
College of Veterinary Medicine
Department of Veterinary Comparative Anatomy, Pharmacology and Physiology
Washington State University

I have more or less quietly panned Cro-Fab for years. I had a call from the mother of a young man who was bitten by a Sistrurus m. barboui & treated with a very large amount of the stuff, which cost her an unaffordable amount of money. That was not the only event I have heard of that shows that this product needs to be used in much higher quantity than the product it replaced. The cost is pretty much prohibitive as well. I am glad that I have not kept venomous snakes since about the time this product replaced the old horse serum.

~~Greg~~
Florida's Venomous Snakes

I don't remember if it was Wyeth or Crofab, but wasn't there a case a couple years ago of a black widow bite being treated with rattlesnake AV? I thought I saw it mentioned once or twice, but could be wrong.

I don't know if its the same incident as the one you're thinking of, but there is a story on the SHHS site that mentions the bite victim of a Western Diamondback being treated with Black Widow antivenin by a very ignorant physician.

Well I don't remember those but I have a first hand account of a "Snakebite Treatment Center" associated with a large Zoo going to administer CroFab to someone I know who was bitten last month by a Trimeresurus gumprechti. These "experts" wanted to give him CroFab because it was a PIT VIPER and CroFab is used for PIT VIPER envenomation. He told them to "Stuff it" righfully so and asked to be discharged.

Lets not forget a year or so ago a young lady was killed by an Urutu (Bothrops alternatus)when the physicians gave her CroFab. Their defence is that she should not have had the snake in the first place, How lame is that!

Cheers,

Al

T. boornensis

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Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

I was recently bitten by a rattlesnake while hiking. When I went to the hospital they gave me CroFab and it worked great.I stayed the night at the hospital and left the next morning, with minimal swelling in my arm. I really don't see how an antivenom could do much better than that. I'd like to see the statistics on the effectiveness of CroFab if you have them.

Hi:

Okay a few questions:

What kind of Rattler did the biting?
How many vials of CroFab did you get?

If you were just hiking how did you manage to get bitten in the arm?

Thank's Al
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Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

Crotalus oregonus oregonus. I am aware that the venom of this snake is on the mild side, but the crofab seemed to be extremely effective for treatment of the bite. Also, I know that Sean Bush has successfully used CroFab to treat bites from more dangerous snakes like Crotalus scutulatus, helleri, and atrox, this leads me to believe that it would be at least semi-effective for other rattlesnake bites as well.

10 viles. However, at the hospital in which I was treated, snake bites are not common, so they told me they were going to be overly cautious with me because they were inexperienced. I noticed a significant reduction in the swelling after 5 viles were administered, 4-5 hours later they gave me 5 more (to be on the safe side), 10 was probably overkill.

You assumed i was bitten in the arm, I just said my arm was swollen, I was bitten in the hand while climbing on some rocks.

Is your information based upon actual facts or are you just forming an opinion based upon hearsay? Like you say, Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

Thanks,
Scott