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what kind of snake is this i found it outside and i live in central new york. I can't really find anythign abotu it online, so thanks every1 who helps

Almost looks like a garter snake, though I've not seen one of that coloring before (but I'm mostly a western US guy).

What county in New York?
It kind of resembles the short head garter snake in my Conant/Collins field guide (Thamnophis brachystoma)

The stripe on your specimen is very faint.
I can't be sure that it is what I suggested it might be.

Is the anal plate single or divided?
How many dorsal scale rows?

I probably should shut up and let someone who can pos ID it speak up.

thats a brown snake
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I'm guessing rat snake, I grew up in upstate ny, we had them all over the corn fields and grain lofts around there, snake were where the food was them, corn/grain rats/mice = rat snakes!!!

It could be an eastern garter snake as well - apparently the eastern sometimes is an olive color with very faint or absent stripe on it.

I do not think it is a rat snake - they usually have a stripe that goes through the eye (though the picture doesn't give a good view of the head) and the blotching is usually more distinct. Those scales look too keeled to be a rat snake as well.

OTOH - I did a google image search for the brown snake suggestion -

http://www.umass.edu/nrec/snake_pit/pages/brown.html
http://www.bnl.gov/esd/reserve/images/snakes5.jpg

That very well may be what it is.

Brown Snakes have a divided anal plate.
Garter snakes have a single.

So wether it is a species of garter or a brown snake should be easy to determine by looking at the anal plate (the large scale between the belly scales and the tail).

Yes, it is either a brown snake or a garter. Im leaning torward a garter snake because of the face. In my opinion it just doesn't have a brown snakes face (allthough, that really means very little). The best way to check, as suggested above is to check and see if it has a single or devided scale.

I agree with bigwizzkid - it doesnt have the "look" of a brown snake. The head is too large, there shouldn't be light stripes on the side nor an alternating row of checker-like spots, there are no parallel rows of spots divided by a dorsal light stripe, and the color is wrong. A profile of the head would nail it down - D. storiea have no loreal scale.

My opinion is E. Garter (likely) or ShortHead Garter (maybe).

Good One!

John D
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