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A bit of a setback...

Kingofspades Jul 02, 2006 08:28 PM

So I was all excited that I was going to have a breeding size female for the 07 season...
"She" is at 1050 grams and eating like a horse...
I was all psyched that I will be getting my FIRST pastel male soon...

Today I went to a site that shows you how to pop a snake...
popped "Eve"...
Generally females don't have hemipenes chock full of sperm...

The snake probed female...
I bought it as a female hatchling...

What a frickin dissapointment...

and with the search for a new apartment...I won't have the $400 for a breeding size proven female any time soon...

sucks to be me I guess...
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

Replies (10)

pizzacoolio Jul 02, 2006 08:35 PM

Dude that sucks, but don't worry, you can always just resell it as a female! or even add het for something! lol jk

Kingofspades Jul 02, 2006 08:56 PM

Yeah...that'd be a REALLY great way to start my reputation. Haha.

The part that really chaps my a$$ is the time I put into it.
1 1/2 years of feedings and all that hard work.
I mean don't get me wrong...I take care of all my snakes the right way...
but I'd rather be spending all that money and effort on something I NEED...
and right now...I don't need normal males.

Poo.
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

pizzacoolio Jul 02, 2006 10:43 PM

Dude I would ask the breeder why he/she sent you a male instead of a female. That reflects really poorly on them. Tell everyone who it was, lol.

Kingofspades Jul 02, 2006 11:02 PM

Well the real kick to the stones is that I've had it for 1 1/2 years.
I've probed it several times, and each time it probed female...
I must have done it wrong.
I've had "her" since "she" weighed 75 grams.
When "she" came in "she" still had an umbilical scar, that's how young "she" was.

I'd rather not bash said company on the forums, but if you want to know where I got "her" from, send me an email and I will tell you.
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

crazydart Jul 03, 2006 12:08 AM

Dont put all your eggs in one basket! I always buy atleast 2 of everything if I am going to start a breeding project. Some might say "thats nice if you can afford it" but if you can afford 2 of everything in a breeding project, you cant afford the project IMHO. The really nice thing is if everything goes 100% correct, you will win double, if it doesnt, atleast you stand a chance of getting something. That stinks, sure, but I just went over my 2005 CH babies for the first time since I got them. They where all probed at about 1 month old as females. Now about 1/3 of them are showing to be males. No problem, they guy who probed them was being nice just to do it, as I didnt think probing a small BP was even close to reliable.... and guess what... its not unless you are a real pro at it. I know that wont FIX your problem, but maybe next time you can buy 2 or 3. If they all tun out female, cool, thats a bonus.

rfarris Jul 03, 2006 01:15 AM

That makes no sense to me. Buy 2? Isn't that just doubling the problem? If he probled it as a female, then probed another as a female, and (in this case) he probed wrong, shouldn't they both turn out to be males?

I say probe AND pop!
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Ryan Farris

J35J Jul 03, 2006 10:09 AM

I don't know why everyone is even probing to begin with. Popping baby/young snakes is a very easy thing to do.

Jason

reptilicus81 Jul 03, 2006 11:55 AM

As the other poster suggested I think if you are going to start a project you should buy at least 2-3 females. We have found several of our females in the 500-800 gram range for under a 100 bucks. Just 3 months ago we bought 3 females for $105. One was 200g and the other two were 600 grams.

Luck swings both ways! My first ball python was a rescue that an experienced reptile breeder determined was a male. 4 years later....she had 4 babies! What a way to sex your snake!

We also bought a guarenteed female baby with a crazy pattern and since I didn't bring my probes (and didn't know how to pop at the time), walked home with a male.

At least now I am able to pop a hatchling, and can successfully probe an adult, so I won't have these problems too much in the future! But, all mistakes I cop up as a learning experience!
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6.14 Normal ball pythons
1.0 Pastel ball python
5 normal x pastel eggs incubating!
1.0 Plains Garter
0.1 Rosy boa
0.1 Normal Kenyan Sand Boa
1.1 Anery Kenyan Sand Boa
0.1 Leucistic Texas Rat
1.2 Dumeril's Boa
-----My list is too long, so I'll stop here!
*Amy*

artfan1 Jul 03, 2006 01:24 PM

This may have been addressed. But I thought I would throw this out there before you unload that "male".

First of all, you said you popped him. Did you see definite hemipenes? Or did you see mature female scent glands? And when you say "sperm" are you seeing sperm plugs OR dried female mucous "stuff"?

This is not meant to sound as retarded as it does. But I have pulled so called "sperm plugs" from my proven females just to prove this point to others. Of course, they are not sperm plugs. But that's what many people would have assumed they are. Those with experience, obviously know the difference. But this was your first try at this and you don't have a frame of reference.

Popping a 1,000gram ball for your first attempt could be a little misleading. Sometimes it easy with an adult male. But most times, by the time they are that size, popping is not always that easy. So maybe it's a girl and you mistook a couple of signs. I am just telling you thins as a hope that you still have a girl. You never know. Doesn't hurt to have someone with experience check him/her. Of course, if obvious hemipenes popped out, then never mind.

As for the person who sold you this animal. It's possible that it never popped for them. It happens all the time. Usually after a few tries, if it's a male, even the suborn one's will pop. But if you never doubled checked and 1 1/2 years has gone by, it's not fair to totally blame the seller. If you had popped him at a few weeks or months then that would be different. Maybe give the seller a chance to trade you outright.

Another thought. It seems that older normal females are much more reasonable in price now. So you might still be able to get up to speed this next season with a smaller investment than lets say, last year.

Troy

SnakeRookie Jul 04, 2006 08:36 AM

My first BP was given to me by a friend, said it was a male named Jake.
After about a year I decided to get into the breeding of them & needed to space that this normal male was taking up so I gave it away to a good home.... About a year ago they got a Mojave male....... They had Jake probed & found out he was a she....
So I have away a 1000 gram female.

I'm waiting to see when they breed her if they attempt to make things right......

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