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I know it's not the "nicest" of threads, but I think if everyone can behave it should be an interesting and informative one. Again, this isn't meant to ruffle feathers... it's just the expression of people's opinions.

I'm defining "overrated" as meaning "not worth the market price." I'll start:

Red Axanthic... I don't see what the big deal with this morph is. Granted I've never seen one in person but I have seen many pics and although it's nice, it's not a 20K snake. I understand that their high prices (as well as the het. red prices) reflect the rarity of this snake, but IMO they are just not that spectacular.

Have fun with this!

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Dave

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I agree but everyone likes different things.I dont care for cinnamons but they produce some nice combos.Terry

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Matt Lerer
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I like aberrant looking normals but most are over priced!

I agree with you on the Red Axanthic.

I wouldn't say the Cinnamon is overrated because they are being sold at reasonable prices.

According to what you are looking for, you want morphs that we think are "not worth the market price."

Going by your description, I think these morphs are overrated:

Lessers
Genetic Stripes
Axanthics
Butters

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gail
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Snakebytes

I think the Paragon is overrated. Has'nt even been proven is not worth 35K and even if it's proven it's still not worth 35K IMO.

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gail
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Snakebytes

Hhmmmm, I think its funny when the truth comes out...... The "big boys" can't like this thread at all!!!! I'll take it one step farther than some have allready started to get into and that is any snake over 5k is overrated!!

I love snakes, have my whole life, and I breed a couple myself but its all a little ridiculous, IMHO!!

Jason

5K is to high? ..then just wait..problem solved.

Unless you want one now.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

I look forward to more being produced to see what's going on.
Here's my dinking around project... and she is giving me eggs for the third year in a row....

I am going to have to say:

Red Axanthic - I stated before (but KS deleted it) I dont see anything cool here. Yup, their differant, and yup, its genetic, but lets face it, their no clown... pied... etc... so why the big stink? I understand price and demand, but they arnt on MY demand list.

Genetic Stripe - They are neat, but not that neat. Once again, with something like a pinstripe or clown why bother with them?

Lessers for $40k - I think lessers are neat, but not that neat. If I had to pick 8 mojaves for $40k or 1 lesser for $40k, guess what, I would be big on the mojave market. So they produce a white snake... yah I got that... there are alot of morphs that produce white snakes.... its like the default for messed up BP genetics... but what ELSE can they do that a mojave cant? Well, we dont know yet, and those that have the money will get to find out. That all said I know they have come down alot in price from SOME people... I have seem them under $20k... and that almost seems like a better range for them.

Reduced Pattern - Ok, heres a big one in my book... right under the red ax... I dont get why they are so cool... they are just a glance away from normal. Not something worth more than $3 more than a normal price.

SO what about the morphs that need a shout out???

Crystal - no matter what the price... very neat.... cant ever afford one if they where for sale... but neat.

Clown - Here is one that is a little high in price, and up until the last month when MKR had to mess up the market by hatching out a ton, they where almost very hard to find... but KILLER cool when mixed with pastel and albino... and how about the crystal clown.... not to mention the circus.

Pied - Everyone loves it, but its a reasonable price now. I bet you never find a pied under $1k... EVER. they are just too cool.

I dont think they ruined things by hatching so many out , it was telling everyone what they did.

My opinion

Mojaves , Axanthics , ....well cant say that a mojave is overrated now , just look at the tag on them , people started to figure that one out.

Glad to see people think the G-Stripe is overrated , makes less competition for me down the road.

I think they are the best thing out there .

Yeah, Mojaves suck, just look at this ugly snake....

I was going by the poster's defining "overrated" as meaning "not worth the market price."

I think they are all beautiful animals, I just think they are not worth what some are asking for them.

The Genetic Stripe is beautiful, but if you have paid attention to all the people that have posted their hets and the Stripes they have produced over the last 5 years, there are a ton of hets and Stripes out there ... thus in my humble opinion, not worth the heavy price tag some have placed on them.

I also think the Butters, Lessers and Axanthics are cool morphs, it's just my opinion that some are asking a bit too much.

I guess people can't give their opinion on this subject without some people getting their feathers ruffled.
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gail
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Snakebytes

I think the Paragon is way over rated !!!
Has never produced to even prove it genetic ???
Yet a large price tag ???

G-stripe is a hot animal and has a bright future.

My opinion...

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gail
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Snakebytes

At this moment the red axanthic is over rated but we have not seen any crosses with it because it's too rare. over the next 2 or 3 years we should get a good idea of where it's going in the market place and it's potential. in my opinion the most over-rated morph out there is the lav albino. Ok before i get bashed for saying so, it takes quite awhile for them to develop their nice coloring versus a hatchling carmel or coral glow which show very similar purple's and contrasting patterns. If you want the bright yellows of the lav albino and subtle purple that is the snake for you, but if and when I get a purple and yellow snake it will either be a carmel or coral glow. yes I know the caramel isn't yellow and purple but it is still nicer than a lav albino in my opinion.

The most under-rated morph has to be either the mojave or yellow-belly. Yes they produce white snakes, but they are white snakes with flavor not JUST white. The crosses with both of these morphs are beautiful and at prices that most hobby breeders can afford. That's my 2 cents on the subject, bash away.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 bearded dragons

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I understand what your saying about the fact that it takes awhile for the lav to show its colors, but they are one of my favorite morphs. Adults are mind blowing... caramels dull out as they get older. I would rather own an animal that grows into its color and then maintains it then one that loses its color as it gets older, a snake is only young for so long. Where as a Lav will look stunning for 20 plus years. Dont get me wrong, i love and own caramels too, but i would chose a lav over one. I am breeding a Caramel pos het O. ghost to a DBL het for Lav Alb and Caramel Alb this year , only time will tell but hopefully the outcome will be a snake that hatches colorful and remains the same way!!!
Kim

The Paragon souldn't even be considered. It may or may not breed, which makes it a single showpiece. Cram it into a small carton and let people look at if for $5 a pop...

The market is flooded with pastels and spiders, so perhaps they should be considered over rated - at least from an earnings standpoint...look out for the Clown, which appears to be headed that way too!!! Mojaves should probably be on that list to...

Pieds and Albinos are the main ones that are holding steady as far as prices go.

Clowns are higher than albino or pieds.
Lessers are going down too! That is why I bought one! And I like them!
I mean sold them when they were proven out. A no brainer.
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