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Heres a picture of Escape' one of my females. She's a late '04

And here is my bullseye female, Slithers, purchased from Randy Mackey.As you can see, shes pretty brown, but she does have a lot of bulleyes. I hope to find a nice male to breed her with when the time comes. I have to decide if I want an Orange male or a Red phase male to breed her with. Im leaning more towards red, since I already have oranges.

Reds and oranges get most of the attention but your female really illustrates just how beautiful the browner ones are.
Paul

duh, I've seen a LOT of babies, the darker ones are more irridescent. Not necessarily always, but typically. So if it's irridescence you want, choose a darker colored individual.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
10.22 BRB
10.15 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I agree 100%....
The darker individuals may not look quite as good indoors, But when they go outside, they really shine.

I think it is because the lighter ones reflect some of the light away from the snake. The Darker ones attract the light to the snakes body so it can be refracted by the scales.

I am not sure this is why they have more iridescence, but it seemed logical to me. It is even more apparant on the hypos. You sort of need to weigh cleanliness of colors with iridescense. This is one of the reasons that I am starting to get into the really DARK RED snakes....they have the best of both traits...

How are your Bulls-eyes, Dave??

Hey Brian, Still working the project, I kept several back this year and a couple are coloring up very nicely. I think that whole litter tricked me. They were born rather plainly colored. I think they just were shorter term babies. The ones I kept have the most improved color of any I kept. Hmmmmm!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
10.22 BRB
10.15 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Jamie,

I just replied to Bryan's post about grading baby BRBs and noted how much I liked the bullseyes. Very nice animal you have there. It's just something about those bullseyes that really gets me

Thanks.

I've actually been talking to bryan about getting a nice colored male to breed her with, so that some day in the future, I'll be able to produce really nice colored bullseyes with clearer side markings.
I also have a question for everyone. Which color phase do you like better... the orange or the red?
I myself like the reds. Probably because I already have a few oranges, and I rarely see reds for sale. I do see dark reddish ones for sale occasionally, but I would really like to get a bright red one. If you have seen some of bryan's red males, there are 2 that are my favorite
http://rainbowboas.com/images/2006ParentsWebImages/pages/n2002JMmale 010.htm
and...
http://rainbowboas.com/images/2006ParentsWebImages/pages/VPI LamarDaddy 022.htm
Bryan, great job on raising such beauties! they're amazing!
they are almost like a "candy apple" red eh?

It's hard for me to choose between the oranges and the reds. There are a few reds that I've seen that really stand out like Bryan's. When they have that candy apple red I'd have to go with the reds myself.

Here's a pic of a nice red owned by Will Bird.

http://ectotherms.net/ecto-cms/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=26&g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=3299

I have a few that are REALLY RED. These came from the LAMAR BLOODLINE and another RED animal came from Tim Frazier. As for favorites, I Still like clean light orange. I actually see lots more dark red snakes than good oranges. It is really personal preference. One of these days I will take some photos and get them loaded up. I really like Daves more recent pict of the BRB spectrum.
Here is background on the RED JD/VPI/LAMAR's...

This group of Lamar animals was produced by Dave Blody/Steve Hammack of the Fort Worth Zoo. Steve Hammack got some of the first animals Bill Lamar imported from Peru. Dave and Steve then refined the collection to the reddest of the reds through selective breeding throughout the 1980’s and 1990’s. In 1997 and 1998 all of Dave’s babies were bought by Dave and Tracy Barker of VPI (http://www.vpi.com/). These were the nicest looking baby Brazilian rainbowboas that I had ever seen at that time. I was just starting college and was unfortunately unable to buy several of these animals when I had the chance. I later got some babies from a pair that was purchased from this original group by Jody McKently. A few years later I purchased Jody’s adults and have been pleased ever since. The male is a huge unstoppable breeder who has sired four litters for me. Even when he was bred to a below average female, the babies came out spectacular and I have received numerous compliments from customers who have purchased these guys in the past. This year I am breeding him to two very nice females, breeding his son from 2002 to two nice red females and breeding his ½ sister, 1998 Jody Female, to my 1997 JR male. I expect to get some absolutely superb animals from these crosses.

What I have started doing is crossing different animals in a particular pattern so that I will see what each pair produces (I am still waiting for the WHITE baby to pop out...). By doing this and getting feedback on how the babies look as adults, I will gain a better understanding of which pairs produce the nicest babies. There is definately advantages of line breeding, But I also see huge advantages of mixing and outcrossing.

Sorry to ramble, but it is late and several more hours of my life have been sucked up by this forum.....This stuff is addictive....BTW, I have had 3 litters in the last two weeks ...and TWO BABY HYPOS.....YEAH.
Goodnight...BHH
rainbowboas.com

I even considered making the purchase for the pair as well. Now I'm wondering where the male went. Both of those as babies were spectacular and I wouldn't have guessed that either of their colors would have changed as much as they did. You do know that Dave produced her don't you?

I didn't know dave produced them but I could've guess lol. I know dave works with bullseyes. I just said I got them from Randy Mackey. Anyways, he wanted to sell the male along with the female but I didn't have enough money at the time (i'm poor) lol. The female was $275 $60-$70 shipping, so I couldn't afford to buy 2 snakes that month. Anyways, the other reason I didn't buy the male is I want to try to either breed my orange phase male or buy a red one and breed it with her to improve the body color and the clarity of the bullseyes and side cresents in the babies. And somewhere down the line I would like to produce bright colored babies with clear cresents or maybe even start producing babies with even more bullseyes than the mom.

That is F3-05 born 09/19/2004.....her baby pic:

Her mom:

and her dad:

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
10.22 BRB
10.15 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats