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Here's a couple pics...one shortly after the litter was born, the other from a couple weeks ago. They've all definitely darkened up quite a bit. This litter definitely raised some questions about what is playing the role in the color of the supers. Also, will the color of the supers have an affect on the outcome when combined with other morphs? For instance, will a Super Sunglow motley from a black super look different than one from a purple, or brown super??? The pic of the super is a little grainy, but the color is very accurate. Thanks for looking, take care!

Paul Mitzelfelt

That's got to be one of the best pics of a super so far.....Coolest looking Boa we got in the hobby........watch out E. Indigos!!!!!

....on him is awesome (finally a morph i would actually own)....spectacular snake man!

Very nice indeed! Andy
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Paul,

CONGRATS on that litter. That is an AWESOME snake. I bet you were on cloud nine for a few weeks. Thanks for sharing. Jeremy

Man, I don't know, it was awesome for sure, but immediately it created so many questions. The main question is what is controlling the look of not only the supers, but the motleys as well. I'll have to take some pics of the motleys, they look very Colombian....which is fine by me! A friend of yours e-mailed me about the two lines being compatable, which I honestly can't say if they are or not. I don't think anyone has done CA Motley x Col. Motley. to find out, and really don't see a point in that right now. I'll try to keep this short, but here's what creates the questions. As you know our original animals are 50% CA from an EBV male to the CA Female motley. The 75% CA animals we produced along with the Burkes turned out great, and when compared to Pete's(I think you have a part in them too) 100% CA motleys, they look like they could be littermates. Well, this year I produce some more 75% CA motleys and they don't look like any of them. Now the litter with the Supers being 50% CA and 50% Col. have a small CA look, but from what I've seen, a HUGE COL. motley look. I think I have enough pics in my photogallery here to show the comparisons briefly. Now, the supers not being black....does the locale play the biggest part in the color, or is there just a degree of variation we haven't been able to see yet with so few produced. I would lean that way a bit, but Pete's latest CA Supers came out black, and there's really no variation among those I've looked at pics of(have not seen any of the Blacks in person). Then I'd venture locale is a huge part, and the combo creates what we got, but I thought that after seeing Lindas supers. Well, that was until she said they were siblings(or somehow closely related) to your Purple supers. Last I heard from Linda I think she said hers have some speckling, and these do as well. Have you seen this in your supers? In the end, I'm just asking in fun as the results have been great regardless, and I seriously can not wait to see what's in store next. I really do wonder what affect the various supers will have when combined with other morphs. Anyhow, here's some pics, look forward to your thoughts along with anyone elses on the topic. Take care

Paul Mitzelfelt
Pics are 50% 06' litter-no single pics yet, have to look hard I guess
Second pic is 75% 06' baby(probably the best male from that litter)
Third pic is 75% CA Het T pos. from 05'

Hey Paul,

I think you bring up some interesting points. Does the CA line match the Columbian line. My friends Brother wanted to invest in a Super to make MORE supers, but it is in question weather or not breeding one of your Supers to a Motley or Hypo Motley would make supers because we don't know if they are compatible. I agree, I don't know why anyone would do it, but I think it would interesting to see IF they are compatible.

Second, the Motleys that you posted below look a lot more Columbian then CA. Especially that bottom picture. That looks just like many of my Columbian Motley to Hypo Siblings that are Motley. That would make sense since many of the Hypos have CA bloodline in them. I thought the Motleys that Tom produced from yours and James snake were BEAUTIFUL Motleys and will make Awesome T postiives, but I didn't see the resemblence you are talking about to Petes. I think they look similar, but they have more of the Circular look. I personally think that the Columbian Gene takes over when breeding to CA's more then the CA does. I have seen this many times in many of my other breedings with the Blizzard bloodline. Even when you have 1/4 Columbian, it still has a Strong influence. I can see that in Argentine Crosses too. However, the Argenetine takes over a lot more then the Columbian does.

As to your point about the Supers, I think it will be local. I think you are going to see many different looks to the Supers according to the Local. I personally don't have any problem with the crosses, and I think that your T positive Motleys from the CA 1/4 Colubian line may actually make a better looking CA t positive because of the colors involved in your snake. You are even seeing many different Super Colors from the Same local, so I'm pretty much thinking that if you change the local a little, you'll see a different color too.

Anyway, good discussion, and it will be interesting to see what the future brings. Jeremy

I think we're on the same page. As for the comparison to Pete's, I think I based it off a pic of one animal he sent me. Congrats on the hy/besq/ley in your above post. It seems the hypo line definitely keeps more pattern than the salmon line for whatever reason. Our stillborn hypo motleys kept most of their patterns as well. Gotta run, so keeping it short....take care!

Paul Mitzelfelt

Especially for the "possibly the best pic of a super...." LOL, I've never taken a pic worthy of possibly the best pic of a black out!!!! It was cool to read that, and honestly it makes me want to put some more time into getting some better pics!!! Take care guys, thanks again!

Paul Mitzelfelt

Paul.......I was srious. I would love to see more pics.