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I was wondering if anyone had some pictures of clown crosses out there? I'm working on getting a pastel project started so I can build some capital to get a clown project rolling (and possibly try a pastel x clown cross if no one's done it yet...). I am a huge fan of clowns as it is, and was wondering if anyone had some pics of clown crosses out there? I think there's a lot of unrealized potential in the clown gene that have yet to be explored...

Thanks guys.

Dave.

Banana Clown

gallery.kingsnake.com/data/40841BananaClown1WEB-med.jpg

Pastel Clown

gallery.kingsnake.com/data/38244pastel_clown_4-med.JPG

And I can't find a picture of the Albino Clown - check EBNs web site I think they have one from Daytona on there. Celias pictures rock. They proably have all three of the Clown morphs on their site.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizards of unknown origin

These Clowns are with another morph in the same photo. They would make an awesome cross. These Clowns are from MKR. Those are some really nice animals. PastelxClowns have already been produced but you can make more,

PS You can not call these Clowns ugly!

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Todd

How could anyone call them ugly?
That picture is on their website.
Sweet!
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RicK @ BbI

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True,

I have heard people calling MKR's Clowns ugly. No basis at all when you look at the Clowns they have produced including these in this photo. Like all Clowns some look nicer than others but to say that they ONLY PRODUCE UGLY CLOWNS is absurd. Kevins book has two photos of Clowns that are in all honesty not attractive Clowns but that is ok because they are variable. I believe that MKR's Clowns are the VPI line and from what I have seen they are "huge" Clowns. Anyway the two in the photo were produced by MKR and they are awesome looking animals but then again I think all Clowns can produce awesome animals from any breeders collection. I think personal ego's tend to taint personal taste!
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Todd

Amen!
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RicK @ BbI

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All of these are from Daytona 05.....as I know of no other clown crosses have come out since then...so here we are...

Pastel Clowns....

Albino Clown....

in the back...

Clowns in general...

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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

Look at how much they differ in pattern, They are variable to a "large" degree and that is what makes them amazing. Much like Pieds they differ in pattern. Now that makes for an amazing morph no matter what your preference. Hip Hip hoooray for the two lines! VPI and BHB make it really cool to breed Clowns. No need to bash one over the other. Dont you agree Gail and Tosha?
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Todd

Just curious why it makes any difference what Gail or I think?

True I don't think much of MKRs clowns this season - IMO their clowns were not very spectacular - but then neither were my pastels. BFD. Differing opinions happen - lets not turn it into a soap opera.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizards of unknown origin

The poster's point was:
"Look at how much they differ in pattern, They are variable to a "large" degree and that is what makes them amazing. Much like Pieds they differ in pattern. Now that makes for an amazing morph no matter what your preference."
The one I purchased is a good example of what I liked. I do not like the "busy" pattern some folks do. Just like pied I am starting to like low white pieds more than I did before.. I appreciate both!
Again my clown. Do you call him ugly?

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RicK @ BbI

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Rick - we've already had this discussion - you know where I stand.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizards of unknown origin

Rick, you said you don't like the busy patterns. Most of the clowns I'm familiar with up to this point had much less pattern on them than MKRs does. Generally they have clean sides and small peaks coming off the center stripe, not stripes three quarters of the way down the side. Although certainly there IS variation in patterns of EVERY morph, personally I prefer a cleaner look. Just my opinion, and frankly I'm a nobody in the business so take it any way you see fit.

Quig

Interesting ...
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gail
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Snakebytes

VPI 2.2 Clowns from Africa
1.0 original line clown
1.2 clowns original line (littermates) several years later

Brian Barczyk 0.1 original clown

All clowns descended from:
1) the VPI group bred to each other or outbred to normal females
2) VPI 100% het male line x Barczyk female and outbred to normals

"wicked" I believe is 100% VPI line clown-Ralph bought his hets from VPI, but we can hear from him-
Snake Keeper bought hets from VPI
Morph King bought hets from VPI
Gail bought hets from VPI
NERD got animals from VPI and bred with Gail VPI animals

As far as I know, 100% of the clowns originated from VPI original animals or 1/2 VPI x Barczyk female. All of the above breeders may have also incorporated Barczyk x VPI animal line into their groups you would have to ask them.

I have never seen a photo of another import clown--though I wouldn't be surprised if someone somewhere had some info to add-

Therefore, I would say that individual differences are within the scope of the mutation itself and interaction with normal lines. I love variation and seeing how individuals like different things, this mutation with its variety of looks is great for covering a lot of different tastes. But in terms of what they are--pretty much they ALL descend at the minium 1/2 from the same lines.

Tracy/VPI

I don't know if BB bred his female clown out to other animals, so if that happened there are animals descended soley from that female. So ammending the list

1) VPI
2) VPI x Barczyk
3) Barczyk
4) unknown additonal wc?

Tracy/VPI

Thanks for that Tracy

Quig

Great information.
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RicK @ BbI

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discussing origin of initial input and we all realize that as percentages go--we are outbreeding and incorporating more and more variation through the normal and other mutation lines, so please don't take my percentages literally- i.e. the 100% VPI or 100% Barczyk, or 1/2 VPI/Barczyk lines. Tracy/VPI

That is correct as far as I know.
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gail
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Snakebytes

Hi Tracy,

That information is very useful and much appreciated. Did you breed your Clowns to large animals? Some people comment on how large your Clowns are "meaning the ones purchased from you". Just would like to know if you did so with that in mind with selective breeding?
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Kyle J. Stevens
Royal Variations Ltd.

Many a false step is made from standing still.

My original hets were made from big mature normal females. I still have at least one of those girls--have had her for 18 years and I got her as an adult! My single largest "first clutch" was from a female het clown - 11 eggs! The biggest babies I ever hatched were clowns-95 g! To this day I think the clown ball is the most "non" ball python looking of the mutations. I'm thrilled to see how well everyone has done with them and it is great to see the new combinations that you all are making out there, and the response when people get to see them for the first time.
Tracy/VPI

Tracy,

I appreciate the information. I guess that your original breeding to large animals really paid off considering that the line is still producing large robust Clowns. I agree about the breeding of these animals from the different breeders is exciting. The Clowns are a powerful pattern morph which combined with color morphs that get more attractive with age such as Caramels could really be stunning.
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Kyle J. Stevens
Royal Variations Ltd.

Many a false step is made from standing still.

I've not saw any pictures in this thread of the BHB line so I thought I'd post mine..... He was produced by Brian & Lori.

I dont think it really matters what line your clown comes from they are all individually amazing animals. I have always liked the colors of Brians better, but that is just an opinion. Some people like low white pieds and some like high whites, but no pied is an ugly animal. They are very variable and clean clowns can produce not as clean offspring and also the other way around. I am not a fan of MKR but i wont say their animals are ugly. They have amazing clowns, i may not buy one from them for other reasons, but thier animals are still beautiful examples of a very variable morph.
Just my opinion
Kim