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I've seen several fires and "unproven fires" offered in the classified. I'm trying to understand what characteristics are common among fires. They appear lighter with blushing on their backs. What do their bellies look like? What do they look like in normal (not studio) lighting? Side by side with a normal on newspaper? I'm really trying to wrap my head around this one and appreciate any and all help. Pics and explanations (especially belly pics -- can't seem to find a belly shot anywhere) most appreciated.
Thanks,
Joe

Hi hope these help!

Pic 1 of youngster with adult you can see how they lighten as they mature!

pic 2 comparison of an F1 fire from fire x normal and an F2 fire from fire x fire! this is why originally we thought the black eye wasn't a super fire!

pic 3 comparison of fires with normal!

will post pic of fire belly 2moz can't seam to find the pic at mo will have to take a new 1! unless Eric reads this first and he posts a pic!

Here is a bellie shot hope it helps.Fire resemble mojave yellow on top lots of blush up side yellow speckling on sides.
Mike

Heres a head shot .Eyes are silver on top Like a het boa.LOL.
HMMMM I wonder if this is a marker Too.Also I've noticed Blk mark under eyes like a tear and of course mark on head
Mike

here are some pictures for you. Sorry These are off my computer My camera went Kaput last evening
1 and 2 are Doug Beard's CoDom Hypo line.( momma and baby) The third is a CH out of Africa.

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Michael Cole
Ballroom Pythons South
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WWW.BallroomPythonsSouth.com

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If you can see a Fire as a baby, it will stand out from normals. They are usually bright (lemon) yellow along their backs with peach or brown sides, with darker brown speckles. All have a certain head pattern too. As adults, they tend to look more like a Toffee colored Hypo.

I recently picked up this male because something about him didn't look quite normal. He's very light when compared to normals, has a light splotch on his head, has some extreme blushing on his back, his eyes look a little lighter than normal, the pattern on the sides of his tail are merged together and look somewhat "bloopy," the dark spots that would be alien eyes seem really odd to me, and his belly looks different -- not solid white like one would expect with a pastel, but similar to the belly shot in the first or second post, above. Obviously, I won't know for sure if he is a fire, a normal or something new, but I thought I'd post some pics and ask for opinions. Joe

Let me know what you think.
Thanks again.
Joe

Joe
My first impression is no. But remember there are a lot of variances in many of these subtle codom traits.
breed him to a girl and see what happens. Never hurts to try....
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Michael Cole
Ballroom Pythons South
863-439-3015
WWW.BallroomPythonsSouth.com

Looks pretty close.I know your sick of hearing it.But you have to breed it and see what babis look like.You will know if it is dom. if so good chance it is also codom meaning their should be a super.I hope this helps but it does look like something going on.It is always worth trying something new.
Mike

I would say not a Fire, or Fire look a like, but a nice animal with potential none the less. A keeper for sure. Might be an "ugly" Hypo, so if you do not get anything odd from one breeding, definately breed back to see if it is a simple recessive animal.

Dave

I'll dedicate a female or two this coming season to see if there's anything dom / co-dom going on with this guy. If nothing odd comes from it, I'll hold back some females to see if there's a simple recessive gene in play. Wish I could have seen him as a baby. Thanks again for all your help and insights. Joe