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She's out. Out of three eggs (two went bad)

0.1...Super Stripe
0.1...Het Super Stripe

One to go, still not out.

thnx
Tom

HOTCHA!! Man I like them things. Congrats Tom.

Quig

I think that is the best looking one yet!

Corey

What can I say? I'm drooling, she is beautiful. Good luck with the rest of the clutch - one more possibility to hatch? Awesome job!

Tom,

BIG CONGRADTS!!!! She looks awesome!! I am confused about the "het", how can she be a "het" for superstripe if it takes 2 totally different morphs to produce the superstripe?
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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your right, it's just quicker to write "het"

Tom

Ok I just wanted to make sure I had not missed something. Congradts again.
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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In my opinion (according to my results that produced the Cyclone/Super Stripe male) Tom , Jared and myself have unlocked a new codominant trait so actually the snake next to Toms Super Stripe/Cyclone is a visual codominant Het on it's own.. By breeding that trait into the Yellow Bellies 25% of the offspring will in theory will be the cross (Cyclone or Super Stripe call them what you want they appear to be the same thing at this point) .. By breeding a pair of the visual Hets from this new Line (the ones I call Whirl Winds or Whirlly's for short)together in theory a Super of that morph will be created as well (I'm going to call the Super Whirlly a Tornado).. So in english the genes involved are:
Yellow Belly x Whirl Wind= Cyclone (25% produced) , Normal (also 25%), and the remaining 50% will be either regular Yellow Belly or regular visual Whirl Winds..
Whirl Wind x normal = 50% Whirlly Balls , 50% normals
Yellow Belly x normal = 50% YB's and 50% normals
Whirl Wind x Whirl Wind = 25% Tornado, 25% Normal, and 50% more Whirrly Balls..
Whirl Wind x Ivory = 50% Cyclones /AKA Super Stripe, and 50% Yb's!!!

I believe Jared, Tom and Anthony need to get together and someone needs to take a shot or two of the females(MOMs) and post group pictures of all THREE MOTHERS so we can pick them apart to figure out what the Markers COULD BE. I am just really wondering how close the THREE mother look to each other. The cat is out of the bag on the super stripe morph, it will not be long now. The super stripe is in my opinion one of the hottest morphs out right now, I have a feeling we will have a boat load of Super Stripe/cyclone/Whatever Tom names his this coming season. Now Jared, Anthony and Tom lets see some mommy photo's.... Of the snakes that is...LOL. Thanks David
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WRONG... The only time I was WRONG is when I thought I was WRONG but I was really RIGHT.....LOL...LOL...LOL

we will only see alot of them if more people get lucky and risk one of their abberant females with a yb. You say it's not a risk, well if you have male co-doms that could use the female and they all cost over $4k each for the babies and a yb only sells for $750 it's a huge risk as far as a business stand-point. However, if they do show the females and we are all able to pick out those markers, then there will be more made for sure. I still say there is a slight possibility it's the vanilla/thunder as I haven't seen any of Tom's line right out of the egg so I can't be sure either way.

Like I said earlier, I will be putting my stripped vanilla with a yb female hopefully next year.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

David , Tom , Jared and myself have pics of the babies , since they are visual codoms there is no need to post pics of the parents, as you know adults look different than babies in many cases, all I can say is they are not carbon copies of each other so to post pics of the mothers would only confuse people, the babies are the ones to focus on .. Much like adult YB's , as adults they are not nearly as easy to pick out , YB's as adults lose alot of the overall look they had as babies , I think the Whirlly Balls are the same way.. Lets just keep this simple so people will understand, confusion doesn't gain us much. I see no point in posting pics of the adult moms , and I think the others agree completely with me on this one!!! Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles...

rofl...good try though David ..and Anthony should try running for office somewhere.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

Anthony your post is confusing. Lets not post pictures so everybody can see what I'm talking about???
What do you guys think this does for proven Yellow belly lines as far as value?
Are all these YB imports for real??
Jared u should just post your founding female "striped sib" since you were the first to make the SUPER STRIPE. You guys need to spill the beans, between the three of you somebodys gotta crack.
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Jesse

I don't think it's confusing at all, Jared and Tom agree with me on this one... Put yourself in our shoes and you'd have the same approach... People will already think they have the gene and want to breed them out , instead of doing the obvious which is to invest in the proven ones.. Everyone and their brother with a weird looking ball will want to breed it to a YB to see if it produces what we have.. Alot of clutches are already out there with no Cyclones in them so that should tell people something about the odds of hitting on it, I'm not saying it is impossible but is will be alot more rare than people think.. Keep in mind if it was that common of a gene we would have seen the cross come out of Africa , as far as I know that has yet to happen , the original gene "Whirl Wind" seems to originate from Africa but the cross has only surfaced in captivity.. Regardless as I said before my female resembles a Fire, other than that you wouldn't be able to see anything unusual about her , the Vanilla's do also look like Fires so who knows what that cross will do , only time will tell. Tom didn't produce his female with his line of Vanillas so that isn't a sure thing at this point either.. The only sure thing I know here is that the Whirl Winds will be worth having around, and in a couple years they will be for sale (once this baby male Whirlly is breeding )as I plan to breed an actual Ivory male to the original Whirl Wind mother to produce a few more Cyclones instead of just using a regular YB male again... I will be posting pics of the baby Whirl Wind and male Cyclone once they are feeding well ... Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles...

My bet is any of the "hets" that have been shown dont show any of the keys to creating this new morph... you just seem to be hiding something... did I say seem... I ment you ARE hiding something. If its really that big of deal, it must be something more common than you make it sound... or you would just show us what they look like. One thing you have have only shown again is how valuble the yellow belly key is to creating new morphs. Someone said breeding abberants to YBs was risky when you have $5k co-doms waiting in line... but IMHO if you have a cool female, it needs to be paired with your YB.

Amazing! Verrrrrrrrrrry nice,
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Kyle J. Stevens
Royal Variations Ltd.

Many a false step is made from standing still.

congrats Tom, they are both wonderful looking. I agree the het SS does look similar to vanilla's but not exactly, it just doesn't have the overall look, maybe it's an off vanilla/thunder but it does appear to be something different, at least from the ones I've seen. I still want to do vanilla x YB next year as I think the cross will be something outstanding.

BTW what crosses are you working on this year with your line? I can't wait to start to see the crosses.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I can't wait to see the results of that cross.
Good luck

Tom

Great looking snake Tom. Maybe everyone else trying to make these will not low ball the prices if they produce the Superstripes.
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Thomas Jones
aligatorhunter@cox.net

now i just want a bunch of yellowbellies for christmas. that thing is sweet, take that luck to vegas. great job. kd

CONGRATULATIONS TOM!!

can't wait till daytona!!

-Heather