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babies not eating

xblackheart Jul 16, 2006 10:07 PM

I have some babies that are going on 5 weeks of not taking a meal on their own. I have tried F/T, in a deli cup, in a paper bag, left in all night, and now braining (in a paper bag). I am going to try tuna scented nxt, but after that, what do I do? Is live the next step? Some of the babies are so tiny, that I know they are afraid of live. Does brained live come before live? I forget.
any suggestions would help so much.
Thanks
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****Misty****

http://www.sneakyserpents.com/

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
9.18.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.6 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched (variable) king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

Replies (9)

xblackheart Jul 16, 2006 10:11 PM

I have always heard that there are so few corns that are non eaters. I have 6 king hatchlings and have not had a problem with them. They are eating great and are HUGE. The corns are so tiny compared to the king hatchlings. I figured I'd have more problems with the kings than the corns. It seems to be totally opposite, though.
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****Misty****

http://www.sneakyserpents.com/

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
9.18.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.6 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched (variable) king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

melinda666 Jul 16, 2006 10:15 PM

I had a tiny tiny little one that could no way eat a pinky. I also tried a pinky head, still too big. I did assist feed her about 1/2 long by about 4mm round f/t rat tail and now she is feeding on the tiniest pinkies.

The rat tails are firm enough to gently stuff down their throat and keep them going until they feed for themselves.
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2.1 Albino BP
0.4 100% Het Albino
2.1 100% het Caramel Albino BP
1.0 100% Het Clown
1.0 50% het clown
2.12 Normal BP
0.0.1 Western Hognose
alot of cornsnakes
0.1.0 Dumeril Boa
3.6 Bearded Dragons
1.0.1 Sulcatta tortoise
2.0 Russian Tortoise
1.0 Cockatiel
0.1 Rottweiler
0.2 Boston Terriers
0.1 White Boxer
0.1 Paint Mare
bunch of geckos
0.1 Teenage daughter
1.0 Husband who puts up with all my critters.

STEVES_KIKI Jul 17, 2006 08:19 AM

i had a baby last year who was sent to me as a guaranteed feeder except she didnt eat for me. what i did was after the brained tried a pinky rubbed all over with an anole lizard and she took that!! granted she hadnt eatten in a couple of months by the time i tried that, but after she ate the anole scented pink the first time, i just had her cage next to the anoles cage and from then on she ate w/o scented.

~kin
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude)
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
.1 Blizzard (Blitz)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLE~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)

jlambert Jul 17, 2006 08:25 AM

you should try lizards if it's been 5 weeks since they hatched. In the wild lizards are their main diet as new borns. If they go much longer with out eating they become to weak to eat.

ReptilesRampant Jul 17, 2006 11:09 AM

Sorry to hear they aren't eating! I tried that thing in Kathy Love's book about holding them in one hand and poking their lower body with the pinky. My favorite noneater ate his pinky right in my hands. It was so satisfying, even if it did take 30 minutes! After I did the same with the other 2 noneaters they ate in their deli cups that night. Now all of the babies have eaten at least once. Good luck!
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15 new babies!
1.0 Anery Corn-Astro
0.1 Normal Corn-Cheyenne
0.1 Amel Striped Corn-Becky
1.0 Creamsicle-Diablo
0.1 Hypo Corn-Echo
1.0 Snow Corn-Frosty
1.0 Dachshund-Sandy
0.1 Beagle-Josie
0.1 Tabby-Nicki
2.7 Rats

Darin Chappell Jul 17, 2006 01:02 PM

Tuna water works very well, and it is MUCH cheaper than getting anoles shipped to you (assuming they aren't found locally). So, if that works for you, GREAT!!!

The trick to is to get them eating something relatively cheap FAST, so that you can then keep them healthy enough to worry about weaning them off of their preferred scent over time. Worrying about parasites found in wild anoles et. al. makes sense, except when you consider that even the most parasite free hatchling that starved itself to death is still dead.

Although it doesn't specifically address this question, the following is related, and I thought I would repost it here for those seeking similar help:

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You can hatch a clutch of corns and many of them will take pinkies right away. Others will take an anole without hesitation. The rest? Well, there is something out there that trips their trigger, but we just don't usually research enough to find out what that SOMETHING is.

A well-known breeder once told me that he was at work (back when he had a full-time, non-corn job), and a co-worker, who knew he liked snakes, brought in an apparently healthy juvenile corn, that looked to be about one year old from its size. This breeder asked the guy where he was getting his pinkies, and the guy had no idea what a pinkie was! When the breeder then asked what the guy was feeding his cornsnake, the guy said that the snake had always eaten earthworms straight from the garden!

So, I don't think very many corns (if any) are actually born not wanting to eat. I think that many of them are actually born with an internal wiring that tells them to eat other things than their clutchmates are wired to eat. If you think about it, this makes perfect sense...

You have a clutch of thirty eggs in the wild. They all hatch within a day or two of each other, and after their yolk sacks are all depleted, you have thirty baby corns in an immediate area, all looking for food at the same time. If they are all looking for mice, or they're all looking for anoles, then some of them are obviously going to have to do without for those first few vital weeks. BUT...if some are programmed to eat earthworms (or whatever), then perhaps all of the clutch gets to eat more easily, without directly competing against their siblings all of the time.

The trick to getting a cornsnake to eat is to try lots of food items. But, start with the most readily available, cheapest items, and work your way up the scale. The reason for that is because if you get your corn hooked on baby quails, when it would have been satisfied with anoles...well, you've just taken on a VERY expensive menu selection, and I have seen corns starve themselves for something they WANT, even though what is in front of them is something they have readily taken in the past.
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Good luck with your hatchlings!
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

xblackheart Jul 17, 2006 07:30 PM

Thanks for everyones' replies. I will not let the babies die just because they are not eating. I have given every one of the snakes a pinky via force feeding, so they have something in their tummy. I am going to try live pinkies next. It sure is getting expensive wasting all these pinkies that they are not eating, though. I can't give it to my other snakes because I leave the pinkies with the babies over night. If live does not work, I am going to have to buy an anole and rub a bunch of pinkies on it!! Poor thing. I would just keep it around for it's scent! lol.
thanks again
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****Misty****

http://www.sneakyserpents.com/

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
9.18.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.6 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched (variable) king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

cornsnake00 Jul 18, 2006 10:05 AM

If you have a pet store close to you that sells anoles, see if they will give you their shed skin. Then moisten a piece of the skin and place it on the pinkies head. I used this to fool some of my non-feeders.

Rivets55 Jul 18, 2006 05:53 PM

Misty - I've had a few hatchlings that just would not eat to where I resorted to force feeding. Its a pain and a delicate proposition. Its very easy to damage or injure such small creatures, but they are also amazingly resilient.

I never had to force feed more than twice. Most ate on their own after the first time. After awhile they will get with the program.

Good Luck!

John D.
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"

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