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This has always had me stumped. For example:

Female Pastel: $700 cash or $1000 trade value.

Let's say I'm trading a het albino. Couldn't my $600 cash value also be a $900 trade value. What are we getting at?????

Or do some people actually jack up their prices and expect the trader to keep theirs at the cash value??

Just my thoughts for today.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

I am just as stumped as you. I really dont get why you would try to jack up the value for trade. I would think trades should be of equal value or as close to as possible. I mean unless you are working with some one maybe?

But i agree that while $700 cash or #1K trade stuff has me stumped.
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Dave

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I always figured - it was like saying - I don't want to trade my $600 snake but if you want to give me something worth $1000 then it will be worth my while.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizards of unknown origin

>>I always figured - it was like saying - I don't want to trade my $600 snake but if you want to give me something worth $1000 then it will be worth my while.
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And that's my point. I'll give you my $1000 snake in trade that I could only get $600 cash for. Doesn't make much sense.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

In my experience a higher trade value means that I really would rather take $1k cash but if you want to trade I need the animal or animals to = $1.5k. This helps the person that has 6 male pastels get that mojave male without having to go through the time and effort in feeding the babies until a buyer for eack comes along. Just using the pastel and mojave as example as 6 male pastels would be a $2.4k trade value and the mojave male would be a $2k selling price. Me personally if I can't do an equal or better trade for something I want then it's not worth it to me when babies don't really take that much more time, effort or money for me to keep until they sell and if they don't I will have another breeder so it works out for me better in the long run to not short change myself in upside down trades. Hope that clears things up a little.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

>Hope that clears things up a little.

Clear as mudd. But the bottom line is, I think people expect you to keep your animals valued lower while they increase theirs so that they can get more.

Why would 6 pastel males only be valued at $2,400 when trading when a Mojave is worth $1,800 cash? If the "trade" increases the value of the Mojave, why not the pastel as well?

To me, if someone has a pastel selling it for $1,800 but wants $2,200 trade value and I have a Mojave I'm selling for $1,800, guess what... my trade value just jumped to $2,200. The end result is the same unless you are naive enough to leave your animal at the cash value.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

Jay, it's that GREED thing again. Just people tryin' to get over on the rest of us.

Quig

You would be surprised at the people offered a great deal on a trade and still not take. Offer 1900 in snakes for a 1500 spider. No has been the answer more than 5 times. Also got turned down for an albino male. Weird.

>>Jay, it's that GREED thing again. Just people tryin' to get over on the rest of us.
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>>Quig
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Thomas Jones
aligatorhunter@cox.net

I may be able to clear this up .I have been offered alot of things for my high end balls.For example 10 male possible het this and that for 1.1 morphs.Ok what do I do with this stuff? How can I sell it or if I can sell it and then I have to feed 10 snakes instead of two.Tosha said it all in one sentence.It means I want CASH if I have to trade I want more value because somehow I will turn the trade items into cash without losing on them.Now if the trade items are worth so much sell them and pay cash for snake you want.Terry

Have any of you seen the story about the trader on eBay. Started with a paper clip and traded his way up to a house. By trading his paper clip for a pen, pen for w/e, each thing he traded for he got something a little bit more valuable. Eventually traded for a small role in a movie which he then traded for the house.
I guess you could take a pastel, trade for something a bit better, trade for something a bit better, ect.. to a nicer morph, or trade and sell and make 1k instead of 600.

I would assume, from a breeders standpoint they are trying to sell say something they produced. Now it has no value to them, and they need the space, ect.. So they'd rather sell and have usable cash. So, they jack up the trade value because they really don't want/need another snake unless its something usable.
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Mike.
-Baseball and Ball Pythons complete me.-

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The fact that the purchase is being done with trade doesn't up the price of the mojave or any other morph. My example was hypothetical being if one person had a Mojave male for sale and his sale price $2k. Now if Joe Blow saw his add and wanted the mojave but only had pastel males to trade, it's only fair that the person with the individual snake come out ahead on the deal. I mean after all, that person now has to care for 6 snakes not one. That person has to market 6 snakes not 1. So now that person has 6 mojave males that he has sold to different people that he sold for $400 each with shipping included. Average shipping cost is say an even $50. He spent $300 on shipping which drops the money he made to $2100. If it took him 3 months of feeding and housing those 6 pastel males there goes that other $100 and he is back to making $2k off of his mojave. Now I agree when dealing with individual animals that have around the same price it does not make sense to ask for more of a trade value. Now does that clear anything up or is it still wrong?
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

np
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

>Now does that clear anything up or is it still wrong?

I'm not saying you or anyone is wrong. Just that it does not make any sense.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

Someone is SELLING something for CASH. They explicitly want CASH. If they made an ad saying they want to trade their snake(s) for other snake(s), then it should be an equal trade, of course. But if you are trading them stuff they don't want for their snake(s), why should they do it at equal value??? Do you get the value of your car when you trade it in to the dealership??

If people are going to complain about getting LESS in trade value with a seller that EXPLICITLY is selling his snake(s) for cash, then they should sell their trade animals for CASH and BUY the snake outright. Not trading the breeder for stuff he doesn't want and probably already has LOTS of already.

>>Someone is SELLING something for CASH. They explicitly want

No. I don't believe I said anything about wanting cash. I'm talking about ads in the Trade section (i.e., "I want to TRADE".

>CASH. If they made an ad saying they want to trade their snake(s) for other snake(s), then it should be an equal trade, of course.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

>But if you are trading them stuff they don't want for their snake(s), why should they do it at equal value??? Do you get the value of your car when you trade it in to the dealership??

You are comparing apples to oranges.

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>>If people are going to complain about getting LESS in trade value with a seller that EXPLICITLY is selling his snake(s) for cash,

Again, I never stated they were selling for cash. And I don't believe anyone was complaining.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

I was under the impression also that you ment the classifieds section not the trade section. As far as the classifeids go Jeff F is 100% correct and so is Tosha. If you are going to email me in response to my ad then you obviously want the animal, then your trade has to be worth while for me to trade rather then sell for cash. If you ment soley the classifieds then it is only fair to trade wholesale for wholesale or retail for retail.
Kim

I agree if it's in the classifieds. However, it's against the TOS of the sale-type classifieds to have trade offerings.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

You have a Mojo that I want, I don't have $2000.00 but I have 6 male pastels that I don't need and I'm just going to sell. Do you need the 6 male pastels? No but you are willing to put in the time and effort to sell them and I don't have to worry about in the 4 months it takes to sell the pastels the mojo I want is sold. It is a patience thing. Also cash talks, most will drop prices for cash over a payment plan too.
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Nita Hamilton
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Ball Pythons
ballpythonworld.com

The way i have always done trades and thought of them is if a smaller breeder that lets say for example has corn snakes wants a Pastel male. To feed and sit on all of the corns till they sell to be able to make the 350 cash can be very time conssuming, if you can take the same animals and not feed or set them up and just take a price cut so you can get that animal you have been dying to get it makes it worth while for the smaller breeder as with the larger breeder. If i am personally doing a trade i will trade wholesale for wholesale or retail for retail. I will put a higher price for trade on my animals, and it is then up to the person who emails me what they are willing to trade, its actually suprising how many people would rather trade then come up with the money.
Kim

There are far less people with cash than there are with snakes that they want to move (or at least it sure seems that way).

Therefore, cash, being in low supply, is worth more than snakes, being in higher supply. We all saw ball python prices drop in the timeframe of a year (or less) in 2005. There is no reason to think it won't happen again in 2006.

The value of cash didn't drop that much in 2005.

Tim
Third Eye