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Anyone ever thought of using it on the inside of the cage..to waterproof the floor in a wood cage. I called spray-x and the stuff they use is food grade safe. The do it yourself stuff looks like a more toxic material..not sure. What ya think?

>>Anyone ever thought of using it on the inside of the cage..to waterproof the floor in a wood cage. I called spray-x and the stuff they use is food grade safe. The do it yourself stuff looks like a more toxic material..not sure. What ya think?

I myself am familiar with the Line-X brand, as I almost became a vender once.

It would be my only choice due to the colors available, since the compound is mixed with automotive paint every color under the sun is available.

That being said auto paints are solvant based so would need time to offgas while they cure, I have no idea what that would be.

The benefits are there Line-X in particular can be sprayed on smooth like a gloss paint or textured whatever you want and all options in between. That is its best selling point IMO.

It will never crack or split and is waterproof so it would make a great cage liner, but at what cost?

In reality you could make a MDF carcass then spray the entire piece wouldn't even need nails the Line-X will keep it together.

Good Luck on your research.
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.1 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
2.0 Double Het Stripe Albino RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
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1.0 Green Iguana
1.0 Ball Python
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0.2 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
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Could you theoretically just skip the paint and just live with whatever the "natural" color is?

>>Could you theoretically just skip the paint and just live with whatever the "natural" color is?

Line-X's base product is a two part polyurathane elastomer, regardless of the color I will guess it needs some offgas time. However the company says it dries in a matter of minutes, so who knows. Like I said before I am only vaguely familiar with the process and only Line-X.
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.1 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
2.0 Double Het Stripe Albino RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
0.0.11 Red Bearded Dragons
1.1 Rhinoceros Iguana's
1.0 Green Iguana
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.2 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
0.0.1 Youth -coming soon-

>>That being said auto paints are solvant based so would need time to offgas while they cure, I have no idea what that would be.

Jeremy,

Long time no chat. Hope things are going well. Is the Line-X only compatible with solvent-based automotive paints? I believe all automotive paints in California are now WB so I would think that that bed liner would have to be compatible with the VOC regulations in CA, for example.

Hearing that this stuff is used in aquaria is intriguing. A WB bed liner that could be sprayed on smooth would be very useful.
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Current snakes:

0.0.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - Java locale (green)

2.2 Gonyosoma janseni - Seleyar locale (all black)

Long time no chat. Hope things are going well.

Sorta but that isn't really for the thread, I'll send an email later in the week I know we both have been busy.

Is the Line-X only compatible with solvent-based automotive paints? I believe all automotive paints in California are now WB so I would think that that bed liner would have to be compatible with the VOC regulations in CA, for example.

It was a while ago when I looked into becoming a retailer of their product. Their website has little to no info on the product. I remember the VOC regs changing in Cal so I imagine the Line-X still meets the new requirement.

I mentioned before that it was mixed with auto paint to get the color, I can't find proof this is still the case. Since auto paints have begun the swing to WB I imagine Line-X has changed the mix as well.

In reality I really think it will be a good solution to a cage liner, due to its application variations. However at this time I can't find any particular info to give me a this way or that anwser.

I may send the company an email inquiring on the product, but at this time I think cost is the main turn off. The line-x like the other companies use a special gun (at least thats how it is advertised), before like I said it was a mix using a standard HVLP gun but it may have changed.

More research is defenently needed.
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.1 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
2.0 Double Het Stripe Albino RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
0.0.11 Red Bearded Dragons
1.1 Rhinoceros Iguana's
1.0 Green Iguana
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.2 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
0.0.1 Youth -coming soon-

I had a bit of spare time (surprising) and did a google search. I found one of their franchises and found this statement...

"Environmentally Safe - LINE-X is EPA exempt and NIOSH approved. 100% solids with no V.O.C.’s or C.F.C.’s, LINE-X is also solvent free."

I do suspect this stuff could be used safely in a reptile enclosure. However, it's not exactly a DIY product and the activator for the polyurethane is not the safest stuff when used by itself.

I imagine somebody could build a plywood or MDF cage and have it sprayed by a local franchise. I think it would also be great for spraying melamine cages that have started to absorb moisture.
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Current snakes:

0.0.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - Java locale (green)

2.2 Gonyosoma janseni - Seleyar locale (all black)

>>However, it's not exactly a DIY product and the activator for the polyurethane is not the safest stuff when used by itself.

What I mean is that the activator by itself is not safe. Obviously you would never use it by itself but it's not very safe to handle or mix.

At least if it's like other solvent free two-part polyurethanes.

There is a franchise in my area. Maybe one of these days I'll see if the can spray a cage for me.
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Current snakes:

0.0.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - Java locale (green)

2.2 Gonyosoma janseni - Seleyar locale (all black)

I suspected as much but didn't have the research, thanks for the information Chris.
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.1 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
2.0 Double Het Stripe Albino RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
0.0.11 Red Bearded Dragons
1.1 Rhinoceros Iguana's
1.0 Green Iguana
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.2 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
0.0.1 Youth -coming soon-

I used to hang out at a fish forum that had a bunch of DIY'ers. There were a couple of people there that made their own wooden tanks and sprayed it with the spray in bed liner. I think I remember them saying that it worked really well. If I can find some of the threads I'll post a link to them here for you. If you want to go look for them, it was at www.cichlid-forum.com in the DIY section.
Rob

That would be great. If it worked for cichlids, it would be ok for snakes.

>>That would be great. If it worked for cichlids, it would be ok for snakes.

Probably. However, I have read that solvents disapate differently from water than they do when just exposed to air. Lexel (a type of caulk) is said to be fine for outdoor fish ponds but is not recommended for reptile habitats. That may just be an excessive precaution by the manufacturer but if that were so I'd think they'd also warn against the use in fish ponds.
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Current snakes:

0.0.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - Java locale (green)

2.2 Gonyosoma janseni - Seleyar locale (all black)

Rob,

I would love to read those thread if you do track them down. I'm kind of busy until August but would love to do some more research into these.
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Current snakes:

0.0.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - Java locale (green)

2.2 Gonyosoma janseni - Seleyar locale (all black)

i have been thinking about the same thing for my new Chinese Water Dragon enclosure. i have done some research and one site said its liner prodeuct can be used for Agriculture such as:
*Lining for metal water tanks
*Farm equipment
*Concrete floors
*Milk pens
*Stock/animal trailers
they also state that it is Waterproof, Resistant to acid, chemicals, UV exposure, salt water. Now another site/company states they carry two types which are Aromatic polyurethane, and Aliphatic polyurethane. I found that HERCULINER is a mixture of polyurethane coating with rubber granules to provide a tough, textured finish. HERCULINER can be applied with a brush/roller or with a spray compressor. It is available in white, red, black, and grey. You should allow HERCULINER to dry about 9-12 hours before any light use and allow 24 hours for a complete cure. Curing begins when HERCULINER is exposed to atmospheric moisture. Therefore, with higher humidity, curing time is shorter. it can be used for:
Marine Applications
36. Pond Lining
37. Fish and Game Fish Holds
38. Bait Tank
39. Aluminum John Boat

Farm Applications
78. Tractor Bed
79. Horse Trailer
80. Grain Bins

And this which i dont understand at all. http://www.herculiner.com/images/msds_herculiner.pdf
hope i helped with researching
81. Silos
82. Cattle Feeders
83. Fertilizer Equipment
84. Farm Equipment
85. Plows
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Richard
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"spent change"

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