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Having just seen a male pastel for $300 shipped in the classifieds, I was curious as to what people think a male yellowbelly will cost next season.
I've seen males as low as $500 this season...
Do you think they'll hit $300 or less next season?

Either way I want one for my collection...
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

I think they're the best value of any morph and considering it does so much for combos. The price should stablize. I can't get over how quick the price fell on these things. I hope it doesn't go any lower. Why are people giving these guys away??
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Jesse

I was just talking about radical price chances with my girlfriend today...
Last week I found 06 granites for $135 shipped...this week I found a granite for $1500.
I kind of expected a price jump after the pics of the granite pastels...but that's a MAJOR jump...

I just think yellowbellies are under rated...
and I think we'll see many more things come out of them...
and if not...we will when I get a few. Haha.
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

The price on the YB should be more but...consider that before the ivory was made the price was low...then the ivory caused a jump in price...not it is leveling back out because many people do posses a YB.
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Michael Enriquez

Seems like the current prices are $800 for males and $1000 fro females.

I still will not sell Females for less than $1500...if they do not sell I will keep them and I will be able to produce many Ivories in the future.
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Michael Enriquez

...the fact that granites are often 'graded' and priced accordingly?

Some granites in the classifieds are NO DOUBT granites, while just as many are simply slightly aberrant imports labeled as granites. Add a label make some extra cash is the logic.

FYI, this is not the first year someone has produced Pastel Granites. I have a pic from an Expo of a 2003 Granite Pastel Female for $12,500.

Yes, $12,500. LOL

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

As more ivorys, yellow belly pastels, super stripes,and other combos show up the price should become stable.Also buyers are leery of wild caught or captive hatched yellow bellies.To an untrained eye they are dificult to identify and I think this is why the prices have dropped. I have them and cant wait to breed them this comming season.Terry

I also see a lot of YB and Granites that are not genetic/proven.
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Jesse

Great looking YB Terry. Its alot better to buy from a proven line.YB's should be worth more than they are.

>>As more ivorys, yellow belly pastels, super stripes,and other combos show up the price should become stable.Also buyers are leery of wild caught or captive hatched yellow bellies.To an untrained eye they are dificult to identify and I think this is why the prices have dropped. I have them and cant wait to breed them this comming season.Terry
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Thomas Jones
aligatorhunter@cox.net

I've just been looking back at the post since the two new Super Stripe lines and everybody's going to breed everything that is even remotely aberrant to a Yellow Belly. That means people are going to be wanting them. I'll be asking a little more for mine. I think the prices have gone to low. Thanks Cypress Creek and Anthony. I still think Jaired is fibbin and its the Vanilla behind the Super Stripe.
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Jesse

I guess I'll have to nab a $500 male before they sell out.
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

I have seen pairs for as low as $1000. I think I will be picking up a female in Daytona and use her solely for combos.
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John Vandegrift

as far as the granites go...they are low because not to many people want them...not a great snake

the YB on the other hand...to the trained eye...I don't care if it is "unproven" or not...if it has the YB characteristics...it is one...some people advertise there line had proven Ivory...this line is a proven ivory line...if you have 1 that has made other YB then you will make ivories.

I would not sell my females for less than $1500 this year...I would just assume keep them and breed them...I have 2 left from last year that will be kept to breed...we have 14 eggs in the incubator from 2 different clutchs this year...the YB with all of its crosses is a must have snake...specially at the current pricing.
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Michael Enriquez

I agree with Micheal and Terry, yellow bellies are by far the most UNDERRATED and UNDERVALUED morph out there. They have SOOOO much untapped potential and people are selling them for next to nothing. For the people that dont own them...what are you waiting for? I would anticpate the prices on these guys to INCREASE as more things are proven out. People strictly looking for the cheapest price ever often dont get what they pay for. Either not a true yellow belly or one that`s in poor health or a recent import that hasnt fed.If someone is selling something for half price,i`d be awefully suspicious of them. Often its better to pay a little more $$$ now for a superior specimen than to be a bargain hunter who ultimately doesnt get what he pays for. Mark Petros BallPython777.com

"I would anticpate the prices on these guys to INCREASE as more things are proven out."

Anyone else remember in 2004 when Mojave prices got jacked-up to $30,000 each?
How long did that last? A weekend? A week??

Ever consider that in the time between now and when 'more things are proven out' that HUNDREDS more legitimate YBs will be bred/hatched/imported.

At this point, atleast a HUNDRED people are producing YBs. Do you expect that they'll all simulatenously raise their price? Of course not.
Hypothetically, what would happen is a handful of breeders would raise their price, and end up sitting on their higher-priced YBs while the majority of breeders sell theirs at lower prices and supply the demand.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

What's half price for a YB these days? Does anybody really know? Is $250.00 half price or is $500.00 half price? It all boils down to supply and demand. It really doesn't matter if a YB helps produce an invisible ball...if there are 1000 produced this year the price will be determined by what people are willing to pay for them and what people are willing to sell them for...
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com

Some of you guys have some YB with a lot of color...they look nice...my original male did not have all that color...but it is a YB all the same...and he is a stud. I still have 1.2 of his babies from last year from 2 different females and we are sitting on 14 different eggs this year.
Link

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Michael Enriquez

Supply and demand.....Come on, that is irrational thinking.

Price is set by holding back all but one or two offspring. I can't see any negative side effects of that, other than maybe a possible total crash of prices. Also, no more advertising of prices. We need to keep the buying public in the dark. Just have customers send MO's in increments of 1000$ until you feel you are getting what you THINK they are worth.

Chris

I am with both of you and dont intend to sell any females, only males.And next season the price for females will stay up.Terry

Just playing devils advocate here -

But even if you just sell males this season - don't you think that most of those males are more than likely going to produce several females next season? How is that going to keep the price of females up. I think I'd rather buy my $500-$800 male this season and make 3 or 4 of my own females for breeding and sell off any extras than pay more for a female next season.
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Tosha

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Good point but it takes two to three years to get a female up to breeding size to make an ivory.So pay the price for a female or make your own and be a year further behind .My reason for not selling females is they are priced too low on kingsnake.Terry

I will say first off that I have not read all the posts on this thread, so I may be repeating something someone else has said. The reason for the price drop on the YB's is simple, there are more CH, WC, Imported Balls that make it into "lots" that every Tom, Dick and Harry can buy for literally $3/Ball, that people are paying a few hundred bucks for 100 lots, and FINDING YB's. If they get one in a hundred lot, that has made the lot purchase a good one, and paid for itself. Then they can sell the rest as made up morphs, and triple their money. Bottom line, if 500 CH Albinos "Snuck" into the country as "normals", the price of Albinos would fall like the price of YB's.

Dave

I think my post was kind of confusing, but here is what I was trying to say: Tons of CH Balls come in from Africa each year, and most morphs are hand picked out of the "lots" IN Africa, and sold as premiums. There are still many people who cannot distinguish a YB from a normal, so many YB's get imported in the large and small "lots." So people are getting YB's in their CH lot orders, by the dozens. SO, there are many people getting lots that get YB's, and less people spending the money on CB proven YB's. $3/Ball vs. $1500 for a CB proven YB.