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I had a dark female (LTC) which I thought to be special. I figured she was axanthic if anything. The plan was, breed my pastel to her, make a "het-axanthic" pastel, breed back to mom and make an axanthic pastel in a few years. I almost choked when I saw this animal hatch!

Looks like the mother is genetic, and the cross looks somewhat similar to a pewter, but it is different. However the mother does not look like a cinnamon or black pastel in any way.

Hoping for a super in the next few years!

I'm planning to call the female's genetics Espresso, and this particular animal an Espresso Pastel.

Let me know what you think!

Thanks for looking,
Bristen.

www.royalgemreptiles

>>I had a dark female (LTC) which I thought to be special. I figured she was axanthic if anything. The plan was, breed my pastel to her, make a "het-axanthic" pastel, breed back to mom and make an axanthic pastel in a few years. I almost choked when I saw this animal hatch!
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>>Looks like the mother is genetic, and the cross looks somewhat similar to a pewter, but it is different. However the mother does not look like a cinnamon or black pastel in any way.
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>>Hoping for a super in the next few years!
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>>I'm planning to call the female's genetics Espresso, and this particular animal an Espresso Pastel.
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>>Let me know what you think!
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>>Thanks for looking,
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>>www.royalgemreptiles
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Brandon Nixon

That is an awesome animal! Looks really cool in the second to pics! Andy
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come to my collection. That animal is gorgeous!!!!
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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Nice baby but ditch the name...
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com

Thank you for the comments. As for the name, what would you suggest? I'm open for suggestions... that's all I could come up with as it described the mother (chocolate, mocha, coffee, etc have all been taken already). As I explain on my web site, the name Espresso is not set in stone...

Let me know what you think!

Regards,
Bristen

>>Nice baby but ditch the name...
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>>Matt Lerer
>>'Ghi Reptiles'
>>ghireptiles.com
www.royalgemreptiles.com

Being the first to leave a potential new morph nameless? Everyone has a name for their creation...I'll tell ya, this year at the Daytona expo buying ball pythons is going to be confusing!

Really beautiful baby I would love to have one!
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com

very good point. wait another year or two and prove out whether it has a super or not to see if it's just a different line of an already established morph, anything can happen.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

That's valid Josh, and I wouldn't argue that this may somehow prove to be something that already exists. However, it is my line, and I could choose to give it a different name. Ralph Davis does have the Goblins. He can choose to name his line of yellow bellies "Goblins" if he wants, no? That being said, I'm pretty sure I'll stick with Espresso Pastel.

Thanks,
Bristen.

>>very good point. wait another year or two and prove out whether it has a super or not to see if it's just a different line of an already established morph, anything can happen.
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>>Josh Hutto
>>J&K Reptiles
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>>2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
>>1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
>>1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
>>0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
>>1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
>>1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
>>1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
>>1.1 graz pastel female
>>Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
>>2 various corns
>>0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
>>1.0 american pit bull terrier
>>1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
>>1.0 grey cat
>>0.1 columbian red-tail boa
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>>a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!
www.royalgemreptiles.com

That is your right to do so. the only reason that I am an advocate of completely proving out a trait and if it already exists just adding your name or company name is for ease of marketing. It is alot easier for someone to market let's just say a new line of black pastel by adding their name versus calling it "john doe snake" for the simple reason that everyone instantly knows that a black pastel's super is the black ball. I can completely understand the desire to name a new possible morph but what if that is the axanthic you thought it was? Perhaps the person that you bought your pastel from had used some super low % het axanthic's and you got lucky and your pastel is het for the same type of axanthic? Now you have named an axanthic something totally different and causes more confusion. Granted proving a trait out completely, especially when starting with a female could take a long time, but that is what this biz is about, being here for the long haul. Granted it will be cool to have a co-dom axanthic as that is what the female does look like so best of luck with this project, that baby does look kick a$$.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Josh, you have good points and an intelligent reply it was. For now I will keep the name Espresso so it can be identified, however, if it does prove to be something that already exists, I'll adopt the name of whatever it is and tag my company name on it. If it's something new, I'll keep the name.

Thanks for the comments and interest!

Bristen.

>>That is your right to do so. the only reason that I am an advocate of completely proving out a trait and if it already exists just adding your name or company name is for ease of marketing. It is alot easier for someone to market let's just say a new line of black pastel by adding their name versus calling it "john doe snake" for the simple reason that everyone instantly knows that a black pastel's super is the black ball. I can completely understand the desire to name a new possible morph but what if that is the axanthic you thought it was? Perhaps the person that you bought your pastel from had used some super low % het axanthic's and you got lucky and your pastel is het for the same type of axanthic? Now you have named an axanthic something totally different and causes more confusion. Granted proving a trait out completely, especially when starting with a female could take a long time, but that is what this biz is about, being here for the long haul. Granted it will be cool to have a co-dom axanthic as that is what the female does look like so best of luck with this project, that baby does look kick a$$.
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>>Josh Hutto
>>J&K Reptiles
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>>2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
>>1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
>>1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
>>0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
>>1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
>>1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
>>1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
>>1.1 graz pastel female
>>Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
>>2 various corns
>>0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
>>1.0 american pit bull terrier
>>1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
>>1.0 grey cat
>>0.1 columbian red-tail boa
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>>a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!
www.royalgemreptiles.com

That snake is sweet!!

Kyle

Send it to me. AWESOME!!!
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Before labelling the female a new name, I would breed her to a cinny and/or black pastel to see if she is one first. That does look like a pewter...
Sweet snake nonetheless.
I just advise against naming it something new before being sure of what it is.
Just my opinion.
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

Thanks for the comments! This female is so different than a cinnamon or black pastel, she has to be something different. If you look at pictures of pewters and this animal, you'll realize that this is really not a pewter even though there is a lot of similarities. I also checked with Mark Mandic of Markus Jayne Reptiles. He was the first to see this hatchling's pictures. He's hatched pewters himself, and he says this is not a pewter.

Regards,
Bristen.

>>Before labelling the female a new name, I would breed her to a cinny and/or black pastel to see if she is one first. That does look like a pewter...
>>Sweet snake nonetheless.
>>I just advise against naming it something new before being sure of what it is.
>>Just my opinion.
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>>-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.
www.royalgemreptiles.com

>>I had a dark female (LTC) which I thought to be special. I figured she was axanthic if anything. The plan was, breed my pastel to her, make a "het-axanthic" pastel, breed back to mom and make an axanthic pastel in a few years. I almost choked when I saw this animal hatch!
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>>Looks like the mother is genetic, and the cross looks somewhat similar to a pewter, but it is different. However the mother does not look like a cinnamon or black pastel in any way.
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>>Hoping for a super in the next few years!
>>
>>I'm planning to call the female's genetics Espresso, and this particular animal an Espresso Pastel.
>>
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>>Let me know what you think!
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>>Thanks for looking,
>> Bristen.
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>>www.royalgemreptiles
www.royalgemreptiles.com

Can you post some pics of the mother?
Is she an import? Captive bred?

I know most people don't want to spill all their secrets, but I'm curious. Haha.
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-Man fears the beast in the Wolf because he does not understand the beast within himself.

For now, the only two pictures that will be released to the public of the mother are on my website. You have every right to be curious, but I also have every right to withhold publishing the female. I may of shown too much already heh... I know I personally bugged Tom Baker quite a bit about getting a picture of the Crystal mother, so I feel your pain lol! I never got a picture of the Crystal mother though, you already have more....

Regards,
Bristen.
www.royalgemreptiles.com

Bristen,

As mentionned by everyone else, congrats and well done.
Beautiful little snake, enjoy it.

Regards,

Michael
www.regiusco.com

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it looks like it has alot of Cinnamon Pastel-ish Flames.

its insane congrats

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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizards of unknown origin

np

From what I can see on your website, the female may very well be a reduced pattern cinny. It is hard to say because I cannot see much of her but she has dark eye stripes and the only thing close to any "alien" heads I see is only one spot, charateristic of a cinny...I also noticed there were no other cinny looking snakes in the clutch...if she is a cinny, she threw off one of the best pewters I have ever seen...so much for buying the best looking cinny I could find...LOL

Just want to clarify.....So you DID breed one of the original "Special" Female's Pastel offspring back to mom to produce this ? Only asking because you had mentionwhat the plan was but you never clarified that you produced pastel "Hets" from her . In any event , congrats on a unique animal , best of luck .
Rich-OSC

good question! In fact, this breeding was from an unrelated pastel produced by Mark Mandic at Markus Jayne Reptiles to my Espresso female. Hopefully the Espresso Pastel will be a male... if not, I think I also have a baby Espresso in the clutch. It will be more obvious after their first shed. So, if the Espresso Pastel is a male, he goes back with mother.. if the baby Espresso is a male, and the Espresso Pastel is not, then it will go back with mother... I'll let everyone know what the sex is once they are sexed.

Thanks,
Bristen.

>>Just want to clarify.....So you DID breed one of the original "Special" Female's Pastel offspring back to mom to produce this ? Only asking because you had mentionwhat the plan was but you never clarified that you produced pastel "Hets" from her . In any event , congrats on a unique animal , best of luck .
>>Rich-OSC

That is one beautiful animal!! Seems like a lot of people are getting "lucky" this year.

I personally like the name.

Congratulations!

>>I had a dark female (LTC) which I thought to be special. I figured she was axanthic if anything. The plan was, breed my pastel to her, make a "het-axanthic" pastel, breed back to mom and make an axanthic pastel in a few years. I almost choked when I saw this animal hatch!
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>>Looks like the mother is genetic, and the cross looks somewhat similar to a pewter, but it is different. However the mother does not look like a cinnamon or black pastel in any way.
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>>Hoping for a super in the next few years!
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>>I'm planning to call the female's genetics Espresso, and this particular animal an Espresso Pastel.
>>
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>>Let me know what you think!
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>>Thanks for looking,
>> Bristen.
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>>www.royalgemreptiles
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