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I'm considering attempting to trade a couple adult females that I'm planning on breeding to my cinnamon this year for a male YB to use as a back up. I'd be sacrificing potential cinny clutches, but would it be worth it since the possibility is created for cinnys and yellow bellies in the same clutch (if both males were to ferilize the same female) plus the long shot of YB cinnys or should I just stick with my one male and hold onto the females? Just curious what some other people think would be the smartest thing to do. I agree with a lot of people that think YBs are way underrated and I'd really like to start working with them as soon as I can.

Will you have enough other girls to go around? ..then yeah i would trade away..but those clutches of cinnys are worth more than a backup breeder is....I don't think you will get a cinny yb that way though anyway(but it will cut down on your total number of eggs produced).Unless i missed something,and you have a yb and/or cinny female as well?
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Charles Glaspie

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Hey Ryan - personally I would try backing up the cinny with something closer in value if I could. But that is also very dependant on how many females you have and what you want to work with. If you want to work with cinnys and YBs and don't have that many females then it might be worth a go. Worst case scenario is that you'd end up with a bunch of YB clutches instead of Cinny or Cinny/YB clutches.
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Tosha

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that's a really stupid idea. It was like 2 AM and I was bored and thought I had a revelation. I get sick of being patient. I want them all. The best thing to do would be make more cinnys and by next year I can probably trade a couple of those for like a whole colony of yellow bellies if the prices keep plummeting. But then again, that could just as easily happen to cinnys too. Knock on wood.

Here's a couple of questions. How many females would you have if you traded 2 or 3 for the YB. If you could dedicate 5 fully mature females to the cinny and still have a couple left that could go for the YB later in the season I'd go for it. One thing you must realize the price of YB's is about as low as it's going to go for the next few years. However, the price of cinny's has alot of room to drop and more than likely will so your plan to trade a cinny or 2 next year for a whole colony of YB's probably won't work. Another option you can do is to contact someone and set-up a payment plan for a few months and that should be do-able for most people given the payments should only be roughly $100-150 a month. Waiting another year if you don't have to is never a good thing.
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Hey Ryan,

Is the Yellowbelly you'd be trading for old enough to breed?

David Fernandez

Probably not. I'd only be willing to trade like 2 females for one. And that would most likely be for an '06. There are a lot of variables that would come into play. He might hypothetically be ready by late in the coming season. It would be a toss up. Like I said, just a late-night, cloudy minded idea that I had thought about giving a try.

2 normal breedable females are worth more than a 06 YB male IMO. If I were you I would try to scrape up a few hundred dollars and just buy a male YB. It is a bad idea to sell breeder size females IMO.
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John Vandegrift

Unless you are getting a cinny female you won't get yb cinny's. Two males won't fertilize the same egg.
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