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What one would you rather have? This is just a curiosity question I like them both and would have a hard time choosing between them. I was just wondering what others thoughts were.
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Greg Power
B.O.A. Inc
boainc@gmail.com

Hands down a cinny, well a black pastel as I like them more than a cinny. There are 2 reasons, I like the cross potential of the black pastel's more and they have a killer super that the pinstripe doesn't have.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Cinny/black pastel. The crosses are just amazing. Pinstripes to me are seriously boring.
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Dave

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>>What one would you rather have? This is just a curiosity question I like them both and would have a hard time choosing between them. I was just wondering what others thoughts were.
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>>Greg Power
>> B.O.A. Inc
>>boainc@gmail.com
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Brandon Nixon

Cinny. Josh, I agree the Blacks produce the better crosses from what I've seen.
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Jesse Jeffcoat
Gopher Hill Herps

is gonna be produced this year!....plus I just like the Pin patterns and crosses more with the Pin.
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

and what makes you think there is a super pinstripe? They have been around plenty long enough to prove one out. I may be eating my words but I seriously doubt it. If there is one by daytona, I'll buy you a drink, if not you buy me one, lol.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

You might want to check with BHB on that one...

There haven't been that many Pin X Pin breedings
Bring it home Brian!
www.earths-exotics.com

BHB aren't the only one's with large breeder female pins. I hope there is a super, as I'm sure it would be nice as long as it's not white, but I doubt there is one. Hopefully by daytona we will have an answer for sure on this subject. But regardless I still like the black pastel better and the crosses are just awesome, the only bad one is the spider x cinny.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I have a feeling that the super pin will be a normal appearing pin, that when bred to a normal will produce all pins. Similar to the salmon boa. You can't really tell a super from a possible super. The only way to tell is to breed it out, unless it is the product of 2 supers.

Michael Ibanez

Yea...I'd say that's fairly obvious that Brian's not the only one with breeder females...

but like I said, check with him this season.

Look how long Mojaves were around before a super was produced.
I bet it will either be a normal appearing pin that's just a complete dominant or another leucistic. I remember the days when leucistics were oh so coveted and now it seems every other codom x codom produces one.
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Mike.
-Baseball and Ball Pythons complete me.-

Hey everyone...

I personally value my Pin and Cinnamon project about the same! I agree with the few of you that think there is still a possibility of a Super Pinstripe!

If you search around you will find that there were only a few Pinstripe females that were able to produce by now. As far as I know they have all been bred to other mutations other than the clutch that BHB produced in 2003 which was 5 eggs that yielded 5 Pinstripes. Stan Chiras has a female that was born in 2001. Maybe he will come forth and mention his results with this female. Perhaps she was bred to other mutations. The KingPins came from RDR Platinum stock x Pin females.

I guess it seems kind of strange that nothing came of the Pinstripe thus far but if you think about it... its not all that weird. How many of us have females that just don't grow enough? Give enough eggs? Give good eggs? How many eggs die in incubation?

Is it possible to say that there is no "True Ghost" since numerous clutches have hatched and we haven't seen that special 1 in 16?!? I think some people need to keep an open mind. I think that Pinstripes have fallen tragically low in the last year. They have a TON of potential and most people that say they are boring or unattractive will desire them at some point once they see that one special cross that touches them just right. I think that Pinstripes have taken a good beating because they "Don't have a Super" but that hasn't been proven yet.

After this year... it will be PROVEN! Either it is or it isn't!

Greg... I say make the easy choice and get BOTH!

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Sean Bradley
Owner : EbN
www.ExoticsByNature.com
www.BallPythonMorphs.com
www.BoaConstrictorMorphs.com
www.CornSnakeMorphs.com

NOW I want a PIN because of your post, Sean(Celia)! I've always liked the Pinstripe and your post (mainly that pic) just put me over the top. My wife's gonna kill me if I bring one home from Daytona... Hahahahaha

Truly outstanding animals in that pic! VERY nice.

Matt

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

I have a pinstripe and cinny's (im not being biased because i have cinny's for sale right now either). Dont get me wrong, pinstripes are awesome animals. I just think the crosses that have been produce with the cinny's are amazing, and there are still more to come. Cant wait to see an albino super cinny, thats going to be one awesome animal, hopefully its yellow. I will probably eat my words also, but i dont think there is going to be a super form of the pinstripe. Too much breeding time has gone by for one to have not been produced yet.

Just my 2 cents.

-Grant

It doesn't matter how much time has gone by....if the breedings haven't been done...they haven't been done. Like stated before...there has only been ONE Pin x Pin breeding...simple as that. I don't understand where people are coming from saying that it will never happen beacuse of one breeding and "too much time passing". People have other projects they use their females with...I know Brian used his Pin females last year for crosses...and this year he's devoting most of them to Pin males to find out for sure if there is in fact a super. And until someone proves me wrong....I believe there will be one produced!
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

You are 100% correct, most people posting their opinions on this thread have no concept of breeding attempts.Or what the allocation of the very few adult female pins have been used for.Expect a super pin this year! Mark

Dang, my opinion wasn't enough to convince you!!!! Cinny all the way!
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Bobby Holmes
PDC Exotics
pdcexotics@gmail.com

Don't you think the albino super cinny will be all white. Since the yellow in an albino is in the pattern wouldn't that get wiped out?
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John Vandegrift

I think it will be a faint yellow color at birth but as the snake ages it will get progressivly orange, like that of a high contrast albino. Why do I think this, well at hatching is when a super is at the blackest, as they get older they get a little browner. So at hatching, the black will be white when affected by the albino gene, but as the snake would normally brown up, the white or faint yellow will constantly get better and better. It should be another one of those snakes that just get better with age, but I could be wrong and the thing could come out blue, lol.
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Josh Hutto
J&K Reptiles

2.3 het pied (RDR, alan bosch x 2, BHB x 2)
1.0 Spider Ball python (Ballroom pythons south)
1.0 Vanilla Ball Python (Gulf Coast)
0.1 High Contrast Albino (Gulf Coast)
1.1 het albino (ben siegel, Gulf Coast)
1.2 het citrus ghost(Gulf Coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (Gulf Coast line)
1.1 graz pastel female
Alot of normal BP females (some not so normal)
2 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
1.0 american pit bull terrier
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat
0.1 columbian red-tail boa

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I think the "Pin Supper looks just like the regular Pins. The Albino Super Cinny, probably a dull soild yellow.
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Jesse Jeffcoat
Gopher Hill Herps

I think the snake will be yellow, at least i hope so...if you look at the super cinny's, which are a lighter brown than the super black pastels, there is definately an underlying yellow hue....jmo

question??
Just look how long mojaves were around and all the people that said there was no super form of the mojave. And voila, a super. Just be patient or go and try to make supers for yourself!
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Mike.
-Baseball and Ball Pythons complete me.-

I am waiting for the super cinny lavender albino.....maybe a purple snake???? Throw on the Jimi Hendrix LOL

You are going to be buying alot of drinks if you`re betting against the super pinstripe. Mark