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justinian2120 Jul 29, 2006 01:51 AM

....now for the unveiling-at long last,the first of it's kind....the tyrosinase positive amelanistic morph of the kingsnake in a current state of unjust taxonomic suppression;formerly known as the 'outer banks kingsnake'-(lampropeltis getula sticticeps)-hailing from the shores of dare county,north carolina....behold!...okay,hold it,draw the curtains-he's eating right now....

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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

Replies (4)

foxturtle Jul 29, 2006 02:45 AM

Is that really an albino OBK? Whats the story on that guy?

HerperHelmz Jul 29, 2006 02:51 PM

I agree with the post above me...
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justinian2120 Jul 30, 2006 12:47 AM

i just said obx to raise some eyebrows...that's an amel whatever-you-want-it-to-be,lol;most likely got it's amel trait originally from a cal. king,via floridana.......but it was sold to me as a 'goini',for quite cheap.....whatever,it's an amel getula.but i doubt i'll end up breeding it to my goinis;as far as i know that trait has not been revealed in goini/(meansi?) kings.....i'm not even sure it has been found in the nominate(i know some have been represented as such;not saying they are'nt,i just don't know the history on an amel. getula getula).....actually i prefer the nice patternless goinis i have,they don't have to be all morphed/tricked out to suit my liking.call it a classic case of sitting on the fence-i believe in keeping(breeding) as true to natural/likely gene flow as possible;yet also feel stuff is getting way too picky(limiting diversity and healthy geneflow)for no reason-ultimately doing much more harm than good to our hobby-too much locale specificity crap for no reason....there is surely a middle ground/happy medium.example(just for my own brain's model)-
-hybrids(species to other species)= don't like
-unlikely intergrades(e.g. cal. king x eastern,niger,etc.)= don't like,primarily because eventually it leads to muddied up/misrepresented/undocumented breedings/backcrossings
-'natural'(likely/naturally occurring) integrades(e.g. most anything you see in the wild but i'll say holbrooki x niger for consistencie's sake)= cool of course
-locale specific to the extent of county,etc.= cool if it's an isolated pop....silly if it's not,esp. when you also can't visually tell them from said surrounding population.just my 'rules',the way i see this.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

FunkyRes Jul 30, 2006 02:04 AM

I agree with the locale thing - the only purpose I see to locale is if there is a decent chance the defined subspecies will change, like what is possibly going to happen to zonata.

The integrade range in the north is a pretty darned big integrade range.
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3.0 WC; 0.1 CB L. getula californiae
0.1 CB L. pyromelana pyromelana
0.1 WC; 10 eggs (7/11) Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

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