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Hey everyone,

Since I have been on here, I haven't heard of many people asking about panacur, which leads me to many people buying CB animals, or don't think of treating WC, which is fine. I happen to buy a lot of WC animals, because most of the ones I like aren't bred a lot in captivity. I have recently got a group of 10 S. pustulosa and had one die on me from being bloated. I had panacur just in case and today I went about trying to get it into their mouths. I have heard of applying it orally or on a cricket. I have the paste and everytime I put it on a cricket, they couldn't move and the frogs wouldn't see them. Today, however I put about 5 blots of panacur in the bottom of a tall deli cup and put in crickets and swished them around. Of course, many were caught in the panacur. I took a pop sicle stick (I buy loads because you never know when you need one, serious) and fished the cricket out that was covered in panacur and put ii in front of the frog and wham, ate it up. I did this for all my frogs several times and they got used to it. I then tried it without a crickert and jsut some panacur and they were so used to it, they snapped the panacur. I hope this helps people when aquiring WC animals and playing it safe. Good luck
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures
3.1 P. sauvagei
2.1.2 P. hypochondrialis
2.0 P. vaillanti
0.0.3 P. aurotaenia
2.2 B. orientalis
0.0.10 S. pustulosa
0.0.3 B. americanus
1.0 T. horsefieldi

I use panacur for all my animals, just in case. My vet said it won't hurt them if they don't need it, so my two whites and two leopard geckos are all on it. I give them 1/8thcc, every two weeks, for four doses. I just use a syringe to do it, and they all seem to deal fine with it.

I use panacur for all my animals, just in case. My vet said it won't hurt them if they don't need it, so my two whites and two leopard geckos are all on it. I give them 1/8thcc, every two weeks, for four doses. I just use a syringe to do it, and they all seem to deal fine with it.

What you are doing is on the verge of being reckless, but unfortunately that is the way a lot of people do it. Although panacure does have a wide margin of safety, it should not be used without properly dosing it. The dosage depends heavily upon the concentration of the medicine and the animal's weight. The previous posters method is not any better because the animals are getting the same dosage regardless of their weight.

The food vehicle method is not very reliable, the medicine should be given to the animal in the straightest form. Once you learn some of the tricks, it is not that hard to restrain an amphibian and open its mouth. A stainless steel feeding tube is ideal for getting the medicine directly into the stomach.

If you want a second opinion, I suggest you post on the health forum, there's one person in particular that is a parasite expert and can give you good advice as well. Even then I can assure you that he will make the case for treating an animal only after it has been diagnosed. There is a particular level of risk involved when you treat an animal with the shotgun approach, without really knowing what it has. Besides, panacure has a limited spectrum in treating parasites and certainly will not treat all of the parasites a frog can have. I do not want to discourage you from being proactive in the health of your animals, I think that anybody who feeds any live food to their animals should deworm on a regular basis.
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I will not open their mouths and shove it down their throats. And when you say it becomes eeasy to do after a while, does that mean you do this more than once? I'm sorry but that's bad, the whole point of WC animals is to get them, settle them down, and deworm them. Not shove a syringe down their throats. I have talked to a few vets and other froggers who agree it's hard to overdose with frogs.
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P. sauvagei
derekb15.tripod.com/tropicaltreasures
3.1 P. sauvagei
2.1.2 P. hypochondrialis
2.0 P. vaillanti
0.0.3 P. aurotaenia
2.2 B. orientalis
0.0.10 S. pustulosa
0.0.3 B. americanus
1.0 T. horsefieldi

"I will not open their mouths and shove it down their throats."
Despite your biased choice of words, this is the recommended method. You can see pictures of this happening in the Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry book. This is the same way it is done with all reptiles and amphibians. The only difference here are the problems associated with restraint, but if done properly there should not be a problem. The whole procedure can be completed in less than 60 seconds, and is nowhere near the amount of stress that the animal experienced when it was ripped out of its native habitat and shipped across the world. Somehow you have found a way to justify that level of stress, but are not willing to do what it takes to ensure a healthy animal after you get it.

"And when you say it becomes eeasy to do after a while, does that mean you do this more than once? "
You may not have a thorough understanding of parasites. Almost anything that has not been sterilized, or ANY live foods can be a vector for parasites. Just because an animal has been dewormed once does not mean that it lasts for its lifetime. If the goal is to eliminate all parasites and potential for disease, then the animal in question should be tested on a regular basis and treated as needed.

"I'm sorry but that's bad, the whole point of WC animals is to get them, settle them down, and deworm them. Not shove a syringe down their throats. I have talked to a few vets and other froggers who agree it's hard to overdose with frogs."
Like I said before, there is a huge margin of safety with panacure, but it is shotgun approaches, without proper dosing is the same reason why we have bacterial resistance to our most potent antibiotics. Whether or not this is possible with this particular medicine it still illustrates the point that proper diagnosis and proper dosage is essential. Let's not turn this into an exchange of personal attacks, take my advice seriously if you are interested in having the healthiest possible animals.
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*Humans aren't the only species on earth... we just act like it.

".the oldest task in human history: to live on a piece of land without
spoiling it."
Aldo Leopold (1938)

Derek of course it has to happen more than once, that is what a de-worming course is. Just like you worm your dogs and cats it is carried out routinely.

If the method used by Colchicine is fast and efficient then thats great. I wouldn't see it as shoving it down their thoats, it is placed there and it's all over in a matter of seconds, like you or I taking a tablet.
No different from worming a cat with those syringe applicators. You restrain the cat, open its mouth and syringe the paste into the back of the mouth. Done.
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I aquired a very skinny, almost dead whites froma pet shop, and was syringe feeding it. That is what I meant by it becoming easy. The one sick whites was on the reptile aid stuff everyday, and BOTH whites were on antibiotics everyday. I got this all from a vet, so I don't believe this is "reckless" or unwise!