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Did you produce any of these this year ? They are pretty cool looking. Any pics ? Do they remain white as adults or does some yellow creep in ?

Keith
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I still have over 20 clutches of cal kings to hatch.

I am expecting some.

There are those that stay white (from high white lines) and then there are those that have a cream color.

Kerby...

Do you have pix of your breeders or a website where I might see them ?
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Of course I do. I thought you knew that. I used to be a Kingsnake Forum sponsor for a couple of years and I used to have my website on the breeders page for 3 years from 2000-2002.

Lonesome Valley Reptiles
http://www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com

SNAKES OF ARIZONA ! !
http://www.snakesofarizona.com

SNAKES OF KANSAS (not finished)
http://www.snakesofkansas.com

Arizona Taxidermist Artists Association (ATAA) - I'm the webmaster
http://www.taxidermyataa.com

Kerby...

I knew you did but for the life of me I couldnt find it. You need to throw a link to that bad boy on your forum signature.

Thanks !

Keith
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Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
http://www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com/m-33-a.jpg

You call that a chocolate.
I'm not disputing that - I've seen "chocolate" used to describe all sorts of kings - from normals that have a caramel banding, to patternless.

Anyway, what I find very interesting about M-33 are the bands, which are there but certainly are not cream, his "chocolate" base color clearly comes through them.

What is the gene (or combo) that causes that effect?

It doesn't look what I've seen described as melanistic, they are much much darker, and not such a lovely shade of brown.

Thanks for any education you can give.
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3.0 WC; 0.2 CB L. getula californiae
0.1 WC; 10 eggs (7/11) Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

**You call that a chocolate.**

Yes I do because it is almost all brown with thin cream bands. His eyes have a red tinti to them as well.

**I'm not disputing that - I've seen "chocolate" used to describe all sorts of kings - from normals that have a caramel banding, to patternless.**

Agreed, the more I research it, I;m finding out that the chocolate patternless ones are from Blizards. So I'm going to refer to them as Chocolate Blizzards, as the term "Chocolate" by itself just refers to a brown cal king, even a nice brown and white banded cal king.

**Anyway, what I find very interesting about M-33 are the bands, which are there but certainly are not cream, his "chocolate" base color clearly comes through them.**

Agree there too. That is why I picked him up last year at the Tucson Reptile Show. This is the first year that I bred him. I bred him to a Blizzard female and found out that he is a double het (albino & hypermelanistic).

**What is the gene (or combo) that causes that effect?**

I do not know, BUT I do know that since I have produced a lot of double hets (of various combinations) in the past 5 years, some of the double hets have a different look to them, almost "hypoish", but they aren't hypo - genetically speaking.

**It doesn't look what I've seen described as melanistic, they are much much darker, and not such a lovely shade of brown.**

Agreed, he is not a melanistic.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

n/p
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3.0 WC; 0.2 CB L. getula californiae
0.1 WC; 10 eggs (7/11) Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

Hey Kerby that M-33 looks alot like a Los Angeles county "dark" phase.

Not familiar with a lot of locales, but since mine is a double het (albino & hypermelanism) I would classify him as a generic cal king that is double het.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes