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Hey all,
I know its been a long time but this has been a very busy year... I should have a few more done soon!

Welcome to the Hunters Guide...
Here you will find all the details you will need to seek out the wonderful Womas

GENETICS:
Incomplete Dominant (Co- Dominant ) A Woma breed to a Normal will produce 50% Woma and 50% Normals. A Woma breed to a Woma will produce 25% Pearls/ 50% Womas / 25% Normals

1. Womas seem the be "The Combo Morph" they are not that special looking on their own but when crossed with almost anything they have some amazing results, you should see some very interesting crosses in the next few years! Womas are very hard to distinguish from a really nice True Reduced, but there are some key differences... Head pattern is Key. Womas have very variable head patterns, some are extreme as the one below (produced by Ballistic Morphs) and some are less patterned, but they all have odd head markings shown with the GREEN arrow.

2. Womas also have light colored eyes, ranging from green to light silver. Shown with the BLUE circles

Photo by Ballistic Morphs

3. Womas have a very reduced pattern, similar to spiders but without white sides. Shown with the RED circles.

4. Woma's stomachs are generally clear with only the body bands touching it. Shown with the RED circles.

5. Most Womas also have a yellow body tinge on the back, some are darker as babies.

There are more variations of Womas but they all follow the same rules

1. Head pattern to some degree
2. Light colored eyes
3. Banded reduced pattern
4. Mostly clear bellies with only the bands touching down on the stomach

Hope this helps
The Guide

Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics

LINK

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Thanks
Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics
www.nextworldexotics.com

The Hunters Guide to the Morphs
www.nextworldexotics.com/hg.htm

Jon just keeps on doing these...and it is just to help people...he gets nothing in return....he does amazing work and has amazing animals that I love to buy....keep up the great work!

Thanks
Stephen

so Woma or no Woma?

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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com

no silver or green eyes
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com

Wassup man? Long time................we havbent run into eachother in a few weeks at least.............hows it shakin my man?

Jared

Everything is great. I haven't been down there is a few weeks but need to get there soon to go through the goodies! Maybe tomorrow if I don't have a new litter of Basins to put away...hint hint. Good to see you back around!
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com

Hey
Trying to give me a tough one huh lol! I would have to say no...
At first glace i thought it was then i noticed a few things.

1. It does have a head pattern (red arrow)
2. It does have light eyes (green arrow)
3. It sorta has that reduced pattern... but it does look like it has the belly thing.

But

1. I havent seen a Woma with the tail stripe on it. (saw 1 with the tail stripe but it basically wasnt there) shown with the teal arrow.
2. It dosent have that spider like face... you,ve seen womas so i think you know what i mean.
3. The color is off (on my screen, you know how that goes) Here it looks like more of a normal coloration, where most Womas have a distinct color, either bronzish with black speckling to crisp with yellow...

So i would go with either you have an out of the ordinary Woma or no, its not a Woma... But definately VERY CLOSE. Also its probably a c.h. by looking at the tail scales and mid- body scales, so you may not know...

How'd i do? =)

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Thanks
Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics
www.nextworldexotics.com

The Hunters Guide to the Morphs
www.nextworldexotics.com/hg.htm

Yup...ch animal and it is the color of a lighter normal. It was a tough call but she went to a new home about a month ago. Hopefully she will make some nice babies for her new owner...

Good points!
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com

Jon, thanks for doing the Hunters Guide to the Woma. Great job as usual. Very hard to distinguish them from normals to the untrained eye!

BTW, how's the fishing? Have you and JR been out lately? We really enjoyed our fishing trip with you guys. Thanks again.

On another note, the caramel albino and black pastel females I bought from you are doing great. See you in Daytona!
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Alice Cobb

Hey Alice,
Thanks for the compliments on the guide... I have to email you all the pics from the fishing trip, Hes a few of them that are posted on my site...

Alice, Johnny and Andrew with Andrew's first snook ever (or second? lol)!

Heres Alice and with a dink Tarpon (they are a lot of fun on light tackle)

JR (Minh Pham of SAM Reptiles) and Andrew with another tarpon

Jr with that same tarpon

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Thanks
Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics
www.nextworldexotics.com

The Hunters Guide to the Morphs
www.nextworldexotics.com/hg.htm

Have you ever found a Woma Tiger in a shipment????

Has anyone found one that they thought was a Woma, raised it and bred it????

At this point I know of only one snake I thought was a Woma that was imported. The Snake Keeper got it many years ago and I do not know if they ever bred it and made Womas.

I have seen countless imposters but I have NEVER actually seen a Woma Tiger picked out of a shipment.

I do know that some people have been ripped off buying these supposed "Womas"!

This is a tricky mutation and they are RARE, Period!

EVILMORPHGOD
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www.newenglandreptile.com

She is a mouse eater and we only have one egg that made it this year sitting in the incubator so we will see what we get soon.

Dan

Hey Kev,

What do think of the guide? I was going to email it to you, to check over but you take a long time to get back lol =).
To answer your question, i have only heard of very very few Womas coming in and ONLY when people have bought them as Womas from africa. I have never seen one just pop up in shipments and i also know people who have been "taken" by people claiming to have c.h. Womas.

Jon
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Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics
www.nextworldexotics.com

The Hunters Guide to the Morphs
www.nextworldexotics.com/hg.htm

You nail many of their points. They are quite variable and some do not even look like the same snake!!

I will tell you, I don't KNOW ANYONE that has brought in a Woma Ball...excluding the Snake Keeper's possibility!

I have had plenty of pictures sent to me and NONE of them looked like womas...just nice banded balls.

It is a WOma Ball when it breeds and MAKES Womas.

I really don't think they come in and people need to be careful when they are buying these snakes.....don't pay too much for them.

How many Spider Balls have we seen imported?????

Ummm..... like NONE!

The Woma Ball is tricky, I just don't think they are coming in - Kevin
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www.newenglandreptile.com

Hey Jon, looks great! My question is what combo unlocks or creates the Woma Ball? Thanks Andy
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