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calico

xblackheart Aug 09, 2006 09:08 PM

I was just looking over Kathy Love's book. How come you never see anything about calico corns. Are they as rare as the piebald and only a few are working with them?
just wondering
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
8.16.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.0 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
0.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrot
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

Replies (4)

tspuckler Aug 10, 2006 07:01 AM

Around years ago was when both piebald and calico corns were first being marketed. At the time, Tim Rainwater (no longer in business) had both morphs. I visted him at his Las Vegas home and the following year he opened a store known as "Rainwater Reptiles." At the time both morphs were relatively expensive (I believe $2,000) and neither showed white blotches as babies - it was something the snakes developed over time. This is unlike piebald in ball pythons or calico in rat snakes.

I have not seen anyone in recent years marketing piebalds or calico corns. This would indicate that either the genetics are weak or the trait isn't inheritable in a predictable manner.

There is a bloodred "pied" but this merely has some extra white on the sides, not the "all over" splotches of corn pieds from the "days of old."

It would be interesting to know if there's anyone still trying to develop either of these morphs, but I think it's safe to say that neither ar being produced in large numbers (if at all).

Tim

DonSoderberg Aug 11, 2006 08:33 AM

Neither of those are in production at this time. Not from a marketing prospective, anyway. As far as I know, we never had a pie bald. The one Tim had in Vegas was not. It merely had one white spot and that was associated with an adjacent spinal deformity, indicating the lack of pigment in that one small place was the negative response to whatever stimulus caused the spinal deformity. It only lived a short time. White spots on corns are semi-rare and to my knowledge never gave rise to true pie bald (pied) corns.

A disease related to what one would be tempted to call "calico" is still out there. Nothing to worry about. Only corns carrying the gene are affected. It's not a contagious pathogen. The latent depigmentation of scales is associated with a condition that also causes blisters. The longevity of those animals was/is short and therefore they were/are not popular. Since it was a simple recessive trait, it would not be smart to promote this infamous trait. To me, this would be akin to promoting legless dogs or something like that. If it's a negative trait, let's kick it outta the pool. The gene pool.

The pied sided bloods a few of us are working with now are not like either of the above traits. That's why I named them pied sided instead of pie bald. The white doesn't appear to be developed from the same mechanism as pie bald (pied) and we're still unsure if this trait is linked to bloodreds or if it can be promoted in any corn morph.
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Darin Chappell Aug 11, 2006 02:40 PM

Don is right, of course, but I thought I'd add my two cents' worth as well.

I've seen the blistered animals of Las Vegas infamy, as well as the pied-sided bloodreds (I have four of them in my racks right now), and I can absolutely guarantee you that they are not the same thing at all.

Not even close.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
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Rogersville, MO 65742

xblackheart Aug 11, 2006 07:41 PM

i just happened to be leafing through Kath's book and saw the funny colored corns. It refers to the one as "piebaldism". Also mentions ruby freckled, paradox corns. Was just curious, cause I have never seen them.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
8.16.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.0 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
0.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrot
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

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