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Now that I have your attention. This is a 2 parter:

1) I thought about trying to write a program that would allow us to track lineages of species. After all this talk about inbreeding I thought it might be helpful to build a database of information for the community. I would need help from some of the experts here to build the requirements. For instance, how would the "original" stock be identified? Would we say something like "Dean A." stock, "Jeff S. " stock? Should anyone be able to enter their own info., or should there be an admin., where only a few people could enter it in the database. I don't know if this would be helpful, but I would like to do something to help the community and drymarchon in particular. I am a senior web developer for LexisNexis, so I know how to code. I also thought that maybe an indicator that would show anomalies/problems that have arisen from pairings, such as dwarfism, egg binding and other problems.

What do you all think? Would it be worthwhile?

2)I have a pair of '06 erebennus I got from Mike Meade, here in Ohio. They are sibs and both he and I are looking for an unrelated pair to trade. I have no intentions of breeding brother and sister, but wanted a M/F so that I could hopefully trade one or the other to someone for an unrelated animal. There is also the option of trading pair for pair and Mike and I would split them up amongst ourselves for the genetic diversity. Mike got this pair from Dean A., so we would need something that didn't come from Dean. I saw there is another person here in Ohio selling some out of Columbus..Terry Wilkins so I might try him as well. Anyone know him?

I think that a registry database is long overdue. In fact, there is already a cornsnake registry site. This might be a good model for Drymarchon.

Also -
I noticed the same ad for erebennus and went to the website. The website said they were sold out of all drys.

I sent them an email asking: "Why does your add say that you have Texas Indigos for sale, but your website says sold out?"

They replied: "Our site needs updating."

Just thought you might want to know.

JPD
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"

is the biggest problem. I think most everyone can go back to where they got their specimens, but that's really about as far back as you could probably go with much realistic documentation. (And maybe as much as is needed, altho more would be desirable)I know just recently a friend I sold to asked where my originals came from. I got them back in 2000 or 2001 and I couldn't really tell him as I had not written down where the original owner got them from..I suspect many of us might be in the same boat..
But I say, go for it!!
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Carl W Gossett
Garage Door Herps
Monument,Colorado...northern territory of the Great Republic of Texas

Hey John,

Great, great idea!!!

Never more clearly needed until now!!
I am guessing for "original" perhaps you mean the originating breeder and I am not sure how you would annotate that(as you were deescribing.)

But, whatever can be done, something is better than nothing.

Anyhow, I really wanted to thank you for being so noble in offering your expertise for this sorely needed endeavor. I would offer to help but I know nothing about dataase management.

Matt

I think the idea of an online studbook for errebennus is a great idea, except I think there are "ancestry issues" that won't be traceable.
Texas Indigos are common in southern TX and northern Mexico but have been protected in Texas since 1977 and Mexican imports stopped somewhere in the early 80s. I think a lot of captive indigos would be difficult to trace cleanly to those bloodlines.

I know of some poached indigos that made it into the captive gene pool, and I think others continue to do so. As long as people are selling babies for $700, this species will continue to be poached.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

Thanks for the input. Jeff was already ahead of me Looks like he has something in the works for a studbook, which will fit the bill.

John D, thanks for the information on the Texans on Kinsnake.

John Bortel

John Bortel -

Now don't go and buy all seven....

Save one for me!

Glad to be of service

John D
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"