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Reglan (metoclopramide) for a uro--long

dianedsk Aug 10, 2006 03:18 PM

Our little guy is still not gaining weight, he's stuck around 60 grams (hatched 8/2004).
Here's the background...........
He's pretty active, eats, but not a lot.
He's in a 36"x18"x18" enclosure, basking 120-130 (depending on where you measure, the area that's at 130 is pretty small), cool end is mid 80's but can get a bit hotter (87-88) for awhile on hot days. Night time temperatures are whatever the room gets to during the summer (mid-70s). We have a mega-ray uvb that is listed at about 350 whatevers (can't remember the units, microwatts/cm2), which hangs suspended above the screened top. We also have two complact fluorescents in a hood fixture. They are "sunlight" equivalent (ie high cri), just for more light in the enclosure. We have the back and sides of the enclosure completely covered with a desert scene, and newspaper partway up the front glass, thinking the cats don't need to see what's in that enclosure, and causing undue stress to the lizard by falling through the screen top.
We feed primarily escarole and endive, with occasional dandelion greens, napa cabbage or bok choy. Those form the basis of his diet, and the rest (probably about 1%) are supplements or toppings that I sprinkle on top on alternate days. I use "da good stuff" from cricketfoods.com which has bee pollen and other things in it. "Salad topper" also from cricketfoods.com, some chopped, dried grass from oxbowhay.com, ground pink lentils (he won't eat regular green ones), ground hibiscus, ground dandelion, occasional fresh hibiscus and dandelion (when they're growing outside) flowers, frozen veggies, frozen mango or papaya. I have miner-all, but don't use it, because he never eats his greens when it's sprinkled on. He loves the pink lentils, and will attack a pile of them (ground) with gusto.
He's been stuck at 60 grams since about January.
We've had blood work done, xrays, several clear fecal exams (just had another one done today, negative) with no real indication that anything is amiss.
Our local vet doesn't have much experience with uros (ours is it), does have some with iguanas and other herbivorous reptiles, and finds the little guy absolutely fascinating. She told me today she did everything she could with that sample to find any parasites, and pretty much identified what he'd eaten.

The big issue in addition to not growing (although he was 61.82 grams last night) is that he doesn't poop very often--probably once every two weeks or so (I don't keep exact track, and I do miss it occasionally when he goes on the rock that's the same color as the poo). When he does go, it's huge. Not diameter, but length. So, the vet is curious as to why that might be and was going to research Reglan, which is used for humans and mammals to get the peristaltic action moving, but she was unsure about giving it to reptiles, and would check, and wanted me to check my internet resources.

any information or insight?

TIA!
--diane
and PITA

Replies (13)

jeune18 Aug 10, 2006 03:31 PM

i honestly have no idea about that medicine but earlier this summer one of my collared lizards was having problems with her pooper and i was told to give her mineral oil until she got back on a regular pooping schedule
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vonnie
***The first law of dietetics seems to be: if it tastes good, it's bad for you. — Issac Asimov ***

cajit Aug 10, 2006 07:32 PM

I know you bought your uro from Doug so maybe give him a call and see what he thinks about giving your uro the Reglan.
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Cajit
Clearwater,Florida,USA
URO'S RULE ALL!!!

1.0 Mali Uromastyx (OZ) DOUG DIX

dianedsk Aug 10, 2006 08:17 PM

All comments are welcome!!!
I'll mention the mineral oil tomorrow when she calls.
--d

>>I know you bought your uro from Doug so maybe give him a call and see what he thinks about giving your uro the Reglan.
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>>Cajit
>>Clearwater,Florida,USA
>>URO'S RULE ALL!!!
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>>1.0 Mali Uromastyx (OZ) DOUG DIX
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HecticDialectics Aug 10, 2006 09:59 PM

Just a shot in the dark but have you tried supplementing with some sort of probiotics? If its not growing I'd assume that means its not getting energy, its not parasites, so it might just have trouble digesting things well...

dianedsk Aug 11, 2006 08:05 AM

That does make sense, since there isn't competition for food for parasites, there's something else going on, like a malabsorption issue or something. Who knows, there could be some genetic reason that's predisposed him to these issues. He doesn't have a huge appetite, but he does eat regularly (or at least he messes around in his food dish).
I haven't used probiotics per se, although "da good stuff" does have some things in it that you might consider a probiotic. I'd thought about them, but hadn't pursued it. I know some are better for reptiles than others, got any suggestions.

>>Just a shot in the dark but have you tried supplementing with some sort of probiotics? If its not growing I'd assume that means its not getting energy, its not parasites, so it might just have trouble digesting things well...

HecticDialectics Aug 11, 2006 11:01 AM

If you know that some are better for reptiles than others, you know more than me. :P I would just try some of the more common strains that you can get in health stores like acidophilus or bifidobacterium. I know the second is suppose to be better at breaking down fiber and such. As far as how they relate to reptiles I think it's mostly just hearsay and random testimony. As far as reptile specific products go, Nature Zone's Essential Probiotics seems to have the most reasonable price (compared to some crazy people wanting $20 for an ounce??). The NutriBac stuff's only apparent claim to fame is "ridding your reptile of salmonella" which doesn't really make much sense. Their ad doesn't really claim anything else which sounds like its just feeding on scary pathogen hype.

dianedsk Aug 11, 2006 10:10 PM

Thanks for the info, I'll look for that stuff.
The vet wants to try the generic of propulsid. That's been taken off the market for humans, but apparently, vets still feel OK prescribing it. I'll pick it up tomorrow when we take the ratties in for a check, then decide if I actually want to dose him with it.
I might give the probiotics a shot first, then try the propulsid.

>>If you know that some are better for reptiles than others, you know more than me. :P I would just try some of the more common strains that you can get in health stores like acidophilus or bifidobacterium. I know the second is suppose to be better at breaking down fiber and such. As far as how they relate to reptiles I think it's mostly just hearsay and random testimony. As far as reptile specific products go, Nature Zone's Essential Probiotics seems to have the most reasonable price (compared to some crazy people wanting $20 for an ounce??). The NutriBac stuff's only apparent claim to fame is "ridding your reptile of salmonella" which doesn't really make much sense. Their ad doesn't really claim anything else which sounds like its just feeding on scary pathogen hype.

HecticDialectics Aug 11, 2006 11:55 PM

That's what I personally would try. I'd give the probiotics a week or two since it hasn't been having any problems other than very slow growth (constipation but not impaction?). If those don't work, then the reglan sounds like it works well at cleaning the pipes (but doesn't increase digestive enzyme secretion). If its just a stationary/slowmoving-junk-in-the-bowels problem then it seems like it'd work great, but isn't really a long-term solution. Even after the Reglan, I'd still want to try the probiotics to get things moving naturally. Giving the poor thing the runs every month or two isn't gonna help it with nutrient absorption.

I think I remember a post you made on another forum awhile back saying that you've already been adding fiber to the diet in the form of ground orchard grass/timothy hay or something similar? If Im just getting it confused, you could also try that. I grind it up in a coffee grinder for awhile till it's close to a powder. My uro avoided it when it was in longer strands but doesn't seem to mind it lightly sprinkled over his greens in the powder form.

cajit Aug 12, 2006 01:17 AM

Hectic dialectics,
Thanks for the idea of grinding up the timothy hay and orchard grass.I bought a 3 pound mini bale from Turtlestuff.com and my uro won't touch it in regular form.I have a good electric coffee grinder but didn't give it a try as I thought it wouldn't work.I know he would eat it if it was a powder and stuck to his staple greens.I'll grind some up this morning.

Thanks!!!
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Cajit
Clearwater,Florida,USA
URO'S RULE ALL!!!

1.0 Mali Uromastyx (OZ) DOUG DIX

dianedsk Aug 12, 2006 10:19 PM

I did post that he's getting a type of grass that I bought from oxbowhay.com. I can't remember exactly what it is, but I think it's called "salad style" or something. It was listed as something specifically to increase the amount of fiber in an animal's diet. I tried to grind it in the coffee grinder and it flew all over the place but didn't really grind very well. I just sifted the fines out with a colander and have been using those, so I still have most of the bag that are big strands. You'd need a different kind of grinder, maybe a ball mill or something. It was so light, it just went every, plus there was a lot of static, so it stuck to the plastic top of the grinder.
I found some timothy pellets at petsmart today in the rat/mouse/rabbit section, I'll try grinding those. I've seen the results in the poo, so I know he eats it
The vet sent us home with the generic for propulsid, that's supposed to help the peristaltic action of the gut, but I agree, we haven't solved the underlying problem, unless a "jump start" would be sufficient.
He's active and eating, and I'm a little leery of over handling him and stressing him that way having to dose him with meds. I've picked him up out of his enclosure maybe twice since spring. Once was when we couldn't find him and tore up the enclosure, and the second time was to weigh him before I took the latest poo sample in, figuring the vet would want to know that.

>>Hectic dialectics,
>>Thanks for the idea of grinding up the timothy hay and orchard grass.I bought a 3 pound mini bale from Turtlestuff.com and my uro won't touch it in regular form.I have a good electric coffee grinder but didn't give it a try as I thought it wouldn't work.I know he would eat it if it was a powder and stuck to his staple greens.I'll grind some up this morning.
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>>Thanks!!!
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>>Cajit
>>Clearwater,Florida,USA
>>URO'S RULE ALL!!!
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>>1.0 Mali Uromastyx (OZ) DOUG DIX
>>

cajit Aug 12, 2006 10:54 PM

I have the actual grass strands so I cut them into inch long pieces then put them in electric coffee grinder and it ground it up to a very fine powder.The coffee grinder I used has a lid on it so I didn't have to worry about it flying all over, it worked perfectly as I had my doubts about it too.It would be much easier buying it in powder form!
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Cajit
Clearwater,Florida,USA
URO'S RULE ALL!!!

1.0 Mali Uromastyx (OZ) DOUG DIX

HecticDialectics Aug 12, 2006 11:10 PM

Yup Cajit hit the trick. I cut a whole bunch up into inch-long strands and then stuff the grinder as full as I can. Put on the lid then grind forever (took maybe 3 or 4 ten second pulses to get it pretty powdery)... The more you can shove in, the more it'll push it into the chopper blade. A food processor might make quick work out of a bunch of it- just don't have one to try it with. :P

kinyonga Aug 15, 2006 09:16 AM

What kind of uro is it?

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