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Hay all, been out of town for 3 days. I came home to find a baby amel in my egg container. YES. But also the other tiny egg that was collapsing had maggots in it. I cut it opened and there looked like a amel in there, but I do not know if it went full term and did not make it out of the egg, or something else?

Other eggs, are still without any signs of collapsing, but I have to say it make me worry about snakes not making it out of the eggs.

The baby born is the tiniest corn I have ever seen. But it was from one of the smallest eggs. No zig zag, but nice. Now to find something he can eat.

I may have pics tomorrow. I just got home and whipped.

Tom

How many days into the incubation are you? If real far in, the snake could have been too weak to get out of the egg, died. Do you plan to assist any of the other eggs or wait? I know some people are against assisting, so thought I'd ask.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
8.16.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.0 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
0.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrot
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

I do plan to assist, but when. Other eggs, are not collapsing. In fact look bloated? As some collapse, I'll cu 1-2 to see how it goes. I have 1 HUGE one. I mean almost like a small chicken egg. I know i'm wishing, but maybe twins! lol

Thanks

Tom
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This area under construction

1.3 Bearded Dragons Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

1.1 Western hognose

Corn snakes
Bloodred 0.1
Zipper Amel 0.1 Erica Von Zipper
Amel 1.0 Stud Muffin
Amel 0.1 Lucy Goosey
Creamcicle 0.1 Sherbert

Double Yellow Headed Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala oratrix 0.1? Pretty Girl
Yellow Naped Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala auropalliata 1.1? Carol - Male, Foghorn Leghorn - Female
Blue Front Amazon - Amazona aestiva 1.0? Miss Prissy
Blue and Gold Macaw - Ara ararauna 0.1 April

2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

i know i had 1 that was swollen up and i got all excited...that was the last one to come out and i had to cut it open....it was alive, but deformed but hes no longer with us....i couldnt let it live like that...

~kin
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude)
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou) {Reduced black}
1.1 Anery het Motley (Lleroy, Persia)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)

Other:
0.0.1 Worm Snake

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
0.1 Blizzard (Blitz) SHE WAS FOUND ALIVE!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (no name)

Sorry for the bad news. I've been there with my Jackson chameleons, although they do things alive, but not for long!.

This female of mine was bought gravid. I never would have bred her at this size. I'm hoping for a few good eggs. 1 partial zig zag would be a huge bonus to me. Also pleased that mom snake is doing great. I know how tough the egg laying process is on a snake. I was also afraid of losing her, when I saw the eggs. But shes eating great seems fine.

I guess if all the eggs and or babies always made it, there would be no challenge.

Thanks

Big Tom
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This area under construction

1.3 Bearded Dragons Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

1.1 Western hognose

Corn snakes
Bloodred 0.1
Zipper Amel 0.1 Erica Von Zipper
Amel 1.0 Stud Muffin
Amel 0.1 Lucy Goosey
Creamcicle 0.1 Sherbert

Double Yellow Headed Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala oratrix 0.1? Pretty Girl
Yellow Naped Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala auropalliata 1.1? Carol - Male, Foghorn Leghorn - Female
Blue Front Amazon - Amazona aestiva 1.0? Miss Prissy
Blue and Gold Macaw - Ara ararauna 0.1 April

2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

I made small holes in my eggs within 48 hours of the fist hatching. It did not harm the babies. Most were poking their heads out the holes, making the holes bigger the same day. The others were within a day. I would not go past day 70 without assisting for fear that the babies would suffocate. But that is just my opinion, and I am far from an expert
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
8.16.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.0 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
0.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrot
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

Today is 68.
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This area under construction

1.3 Bearded Dragons Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

1.1 Western hognose

Corn snakes
Bloodred 0.1
Zipper Amel 0.1 Erica Von Zipper
Amel 1.0 Stud Muffin
Amel 0.1 Lucy Goosey
Creamcicle 0.1 Sherbert

Double Yellow Headed Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala oratrix 0.1? Pretty Girl
Yellow Naped Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala auropalliata 1.1? Carol - Male, Foghorn Leghorn - Female
Blue Front Amazon - Amazona aestiva 1.0? Miss Prissy
Blue and Gold Macaw - Ara ararauna 0.1 April

2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

Didn't I tell you that you have plenty O' time? Oh, wait, the eggs are hatching!

I suspect that since the female was not in prime shape, her offspring will suffer as a result. It was unlikely that you'd get zigzag offspring. Zigzags are most often produced from zigzag X zigzag breedings.

I reckon those other eggs have small, weak babies as well. You may want to slice an incision about 1/2 to 3/4's of an inch on the tops of the unhatched eggs. This will help the bambinos get out.

Good luck getting that baby to feed!

See you on Saturday,

Tim

Third Eye

You confuse reality with your wisdom.

Not all eggs are small. The smallest 2 were involved when I got home yesterday after my 3 day Cleveland vacation.

1 egg hatched and yes a tiny amel I expected. And it will be a tough started, but he is feisty, so that is in my favor. I have a few tricks!

1 egg had maggots in it. I cut it open and there was a pink snake. Hate to tell if it was another tiny snake that was just not able to get out of the egg. I think so.

Now, the other eggs vary in size, but most are 2-3 times as big. The question is when do I start snipping eggs. I do not have your experience, but I have only done mine after the egg collapses. This part worries me the most. Wait to long and I have dead snakes in eggs, to soon, I may cause more harm.. But you know that.

As for zippity doo da's, yea, I know odds are they will all be amel normals. But I also flipped a quarter 16 times in a row as heads. What are the odds of that? Well 0 really, it's probability.

Anyways, had a blast in Cleve with Antwone, and went to a few places.

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This area under construction

1.3 Bearded Dragons Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

1.1 Western hognose

Corn snakes
Bloodred 0.1
Zipper Amel 0.1 Erica Von Zipper
Amel 1.0 Stud Muffin
Amel 0.1 Lucy Goosey
Creamcicle 0.1 Sherbert

Double Yellow Headed Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala oratrix 0.1? Pretty Girl
Yellow Naped Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala auropalliata 1.1? Carol - Male, Foghorn Leghorn - Female
Blue Front Amazon - Amazona aestiva 1.0? Miss Prissy
Blue and Gold Macaw - Ara ararauna 0.1 April

2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

golly jeepers you must be strong.... that looks like a heavy turtle. as for snipping....my eggs never dented in.... they just hatched...maybe its just me...but the eggs never dimpled in...and i was surprised to see a baby chillin on top of the moss. i looked at the other eggs and they all looks full and healthy....only 3 were pippies and still full eggs....maybe i did something wrong??

~kin
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude)
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou) {Reduced black}
1.1 Anery het Motley (Lleroy, Persia)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)

Other:
0.0.1 Worm Snake

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
0.1 Blizzard (Blitz) SHE WAS FOUND ALIVE!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (no name)

I wasn't referring to egg size - I didn't even mention it.

My reference was to the fact that ALL the babies may suffer from problems due to their mother not being in prime breeding condition.

Of course I confuse reality - I'm the Zoophobas King - it's like my job...or something.

Tim

>>I wasn't referring to egg size - I didn't even mention it.

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I felt it was inferred in the mention of the tiny size of the snake. Or do big snakes come from small eggs and vise versa?

>My reference was to the fact that ALL the babies may suffer from problems due to their mother not being in prime breeding condition.
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>>Of course I confuse reality - I'm the Zoophobas King - it's like my job...or something.

OK people Major announcement, Tim is now to be known as

I didn't mention the "tiny size" of the snakes either.
I reckon you're the one who's doing the "inferring."

No guru, no method, no teacher...No Zoophobas for you!

Tim

"""""""""I reckon those other eggs have small, weak babies """"""""

Well, you were talking about something small. And I have the zoophobias. Order came in this week. My beardies had a treat.

It's Friday dude, why you picking one me?

Anyone else notice Tim is always picking on me? I mean, I'm new to this stuff, looking for help and guidence.

I think Tim is an old meanie.

You better be careful or I'll post pictures of you sitting on my throne. Hmm sounds weird, but just my chair at work,. REALLY!

I made a "blanket statement" about all the eggs and all the babies. You misinterpreted my post and tried to change into statement into something else. Who's picking on who?

Tim - aka Z.K.

PS - I saw Mr. T at Wendy's the other day. I pity the fool who don't "Biggie Size" their combo meal.

ok guys!!!!!
Grow Up!!!!!
LOL!
you sound like 4 year olds. Well, maybe with a little better grammer. So, maybe 5 year olds.
Next, it will be....."he started it!!"

just teasing. I love all ya guys. You keep me smilling
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
8.16.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.0 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
0.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrot
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

You had 1 typo, Tim is 40 not 4.

MUHaahahhahahahahahhaahha

that reminds me of a saying...
"what part of Moooahaahahaha don't you understand"

And I was going by the age yall were acting, not in years alive !!!
LOL.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
8.16.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
1.2.0 California King
1.0.0 Mexican Black king
0.1.0 Blotched king
0.1.0 Lavender Brooksi king
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king
0.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrot
0.1.0 German Shepherd (hybrid) dog

I don't use blankets. I misinterpreted nothing. I interpreted the same.

I heard about you at Wendy's, causing a scene over no zoophobia sprinkles!

In the words of a great Marine:
For Shame, For Shame, For Shame.
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This area under construction

1.3 Bearded Dragons Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

1.1 Western hognose

Corn snakes
Bloodred 0.1
Zipper Amel 0.1 Erica Von Zipper
Amel 1.0 Stud Muffin
Amel 0.1 Lucy Goosey
Creamcicle 0.1 Sherbert

Double Yellow Headed Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala oratrix 0.1? Pretty Girl
Yellow Naped Amazon - Amazona ochrocephala auropalliata 1.1? Carol - Male, Foghorn Leghorn - Female
Blue Front Amazon - Amazona aestiva 1.0? Miss Prissy
Blue and Gold Macaw - Ara ararauna 0.1 April

2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

I always snip the eggs when the first one pips. Once I snipped when the eggs were on day 62 and none had piped, I just got nervous. But I have never had problems. When they are that far along I think you have little risk, just be very careful. I usually use small surgical sissors and make a small slit.
Good luck,

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Jason L. Dobry
Research Associate
College of Veterinary Medicine
Department of Veterinary Comparative Anatomy, Pharmacology and Physiology
Washington State University

Be patient, snip, sheeeeeeesh I wish this was easier.

What makes me nervous is the 2 eggs I snipped today were very gooey inside. The only other eggs I've cut were ball python eggs, and after some collapsed and others have hatched. Insides were rather dry.

I work tomorrow all day. maybe if I do not see any action or change I may snip one of the big ones.

Odd you mention small surgical scissors. I have a great pair. But I also broke the pair at work. . So I'm giving him mine. then I'll order a few off ebay. But mine is gold plated. HHmm maybe I'll order his off ebay? Glad you thought of that! lol

Thanks.