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I read a thread made by h-y-b-r-i-d
( http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1136956,1136956 ) and I got to wondering what the difference was between a hybrid and a morph.

When corns are breed together to hopefully produce a particular color, isn't this a morph?

What about when a corn is breed with a king snake? The offspring is called a jungle corn. Isn't this a hybrid?

Or is there something I'm missing. In h-y-b-r-d's post, he (or she) said "I know it not the hybrid forum, but their again i do see Creamsicles hear.

Parents
Variable x Ruthvens x Butter Corn (male) X Aztec/Motley corn (female)"

What about the parents of h-y-b-r-d's snakes make them hybrids? Or does that make their offspring hybrids? Are creamsicles a hybrid or a (color) morph?
Thanks,
Rob
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Morph is a genetic varient within a specie. Albino boa for example.

Hybrid is a cross of 2 species.

Intergrade is a cross of sub species.

The area of confusion, or debate is that the emory rat was considered a corn at one time. Now it is not. You get the creamsicles by using the emory rat with amel corns. As taxonomy changes/changed, so does the definition of the creamsicle. If someone comes back and proves the emory a corn, then it would no longer be an intergrade/hybrid.

But a corn is much closer to a emory than kings or milks. A king snake will never be reclassified as a corn. The the people very pro to hybrids use the creamsicle to say the corn people do hybrids, even if they are not for the idea of hybrids. Kind of sorta true to a point. As the rules change (taxonomy) so goes the creamsicle controversy/battle/debate/police action.

I'm not actually against hybrids, but I see issues that will arise, but they are going to pop up even with morphs too.
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wondering what the difference was between a hybrid and a morph.
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>> When corns are breed together to hopefully produce a particular color, isn't this a morph?

Yes,
Things such as amel, anery, hypo, snow...etc are morphs

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>>What about when a corn is breed with a king snake? The offspring is called a jungle corn. Isn't this a hybrid?

corn snake to king snake produces hybrids.
The name corn should be dropped.
It is n't a corn any longer, it is a mix between a california king and a corn.
Call it a Jungle....just drop the corn

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>>Or is there something I'm missing. In h-y-b-r-d's post, he (or she) said "I know it not the hybrid forum, but their again i do see Creamsicles hear.

Creamsicles are emoryi/corn crosses expressing amelanism.
Due to the newest classifications
corns being Pantherophis guttaus and the great plains or emoryi rat being Pantherophis emoryi, breeding these together creates a hybrid.
That is why the mention of creamsicles being allowed so why not other corn mixes.

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>>Parents
>>Variable x Ruthvens x Butter Corn (male) X Aztec/Motley corn (female)"
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>> What about the parents of h-y-b-r-d's snakes make them hybrids? Or does that make their offspring hybrids? Are creamsicles a hybrid or a (color) morph?
>>Thanks,
>>Rob

The father is a mix between the Variable king snake (Lampropeltis thayeri) The Ruthvens king snake (Lampropeltis ruthveni) and a butter corn snake so he is a hybrid which means when he is bred to the aztec/motley corn snake the babies will be hybrids because the y will be carrying corn snake, ruthveni and thayeri blood.
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Jimmy (draybar)

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That helps out.
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1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Creanscicle motley corn
0.1 Creamscicle corn

I need to increase my numbers. I don't like binary code.