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Wow talk about night and day huh ? Still 11 more eggs to go
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Here is the 3rd out. His color is a real deep red/orange. Should be a screamer...

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WOW!
Very nice Keith! Looks like you're going to have a nice variety - Well, you Already have that with the first three!
Really nice trio so far!
Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

dude no offense (but take it if you'd like), that last snake and well as the "tank" looks goini and i'd bet money that they have goini in their background, someone post that goini may have came from these but i highly doubt it...

Very nice thou
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No offense taken but this has been discussed before but I will rehash it for you.
I can trace these snakes back the original WC pair from Echols Co., GA and Tift Co., GA. The former being a county that borders Florida. Does genetic flow go up into Georgia from Florida like Goini genetics ? Im sure it does to some extent but how much ??? I dont absolutley believe thats why these snakes are patterend this way though and here is why. Look at some of the Kings that have come from Edisto Island, SC...They are pretty damn far from the Apalachicola region of Florida. Too far IMHO for Goini influence to reach (check a map). Here are a WC pair of Edisto Island Eastern Kings. The female is a Mosaic and the male is a carrier.

A better shot of the WC female...

This pair was collected by Heyward Clamp of the Edisto Island Serpentarium and given to Ricky Walters of SC. He then gave the pair to Kevin Enge who produced these f1 hatchlings from the above pair...

They sure look alot like Goini huh ? Except that they arent just good ol Eastern Kings (Ill refrain from saying pure lol)They also look alot like these dont they ?

or this snakes Uncle also a Eastern King...

Fact is there may be some Goini influence in these Kings are all the Easterns in S. Georgia but the one thing about Goini was it was isolated. In otherwords if nothing could get to them for quite awhile then they couldnt get out either. Of course now Eastern Kings have pushed their way south and are drowning out Goini. Im attaching a link to Kevin Enge's Mosaic article for you to read if you get a chance and have an interest. He fleshes out the Mosaic history better than I did and offers a explanation on how the mutation works. Enge is also the originator of the S. Georgia Eastern that I and Will Still own (still has the orignal WC pair of S. Georgia Easterns but they are long retired). Kevin has yet to produce the Mosaic type Eastern Will and I have with his S. Georgia Easterns. I might add Enge did breed the Mosaics into his S. Georgia line but well after Will Still purchased his breeding pair from Enge in the late 90's. Enge didnt get the WC Mosaics until 2001 and didnt produce young until 2002 or later I think. For these reasons I think that the pattern anomoly seen in the S.GA Easterns is probably the same thing thats going on with the Edisto Eastern Kings. Thanks for your comments and compliments on my snakes.

Keith

Mosaic History by Kevin Enege

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What do you like better the banded phase or the blotchy "goini"phase

Hmmm tough question.I like them both the same I guess. I would say though Im more excited about the "Mosaic" animals because they are more rare and different.

Keith
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a mosaic pattern could pop up in your line? At the rate you're goin' who knows? or have you already produced one?

Ive already produced one and so did Will years ago...See my new post above Jetzen.

Keith
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Thanks i'm already there