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This snake was wild caught 6 years ago in New Jersey...Any help identifying it would be greatly appreciated. I believe it's an ugly coastal...My brother believes it to be an eastern milk, and others feel it may be a hybrid/intergrade. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dewey Vasses

lol. It does look like a ugly coastal plains milk.

Also looks like a eastern/red intergrade.
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It's a coastal plains milk. It may be dark but I would breed it anyway. You never know what you may get being it's not normal looking.
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Steve W.

a perfectly typical/'normal' older temporalis specimen,esp. from jersey....they all tend to get darker like that when they get older;the jersey ones i've seen tend to be a little darker/not as colorful,to begin with.this girl below is just 3 years old.

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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

feed him up!boy he looks kinda thin.also that darkening is most evident,to me,in the white bands-in older specimens the white becomes anywhere from cream-colored/off-white to peach,as is totally evident in yours.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

That's not a typical one even for a NJ snake. I've had Burlington county lineage snakes that were 30" long adults and colored like a candy cane. Some darken up a bit but most hold there color pretty well.
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Steve W.

long story short we will have to just disagree on this one.i've had /seen md. ones that dark,and i am quite sure this one pictured below will get that dark as well.maybe the ones you had were just not as old as you thought?

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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

The thing about the NJ coastals is that they are extreamly variable from county to county. Some are red and white, red and cream colored, reddish orange and tan ect.. I have about 8 animals now and only two actually look alike. Some of the snakes I have are actually getting better looking with age. There are people who can confirm what i'm saying. I've seen 14 in the wild in the last 3 years and only one large one was dark brown. Take a look at the old striped adults in captivity and you will see how they held their color. I use the striped as an example because they've been around for quite a while.
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Steve W.