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This snake was wild caught in new jersy 6 years ago...I have some speculations as to what it may be...but i wanted to see what some other people thought.
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Dewey Vasses

It lookks Eastern Milk and fox snake ? thats more of a question as not sure .

...its an easteren milksnake!

I'm not very familiar with the hybrid's but my next question is if this snake is a hybrid between an eastern milk and coastal plains milk and i breed it to an eastern what will the outcome be...and again what will it be if i breed it to a coastal plains?
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Dewey

Looks like an eastern milk. If it is an intergrade, it is just that, an intergrade, not a hybrid. If you bred it to a central plains or a eastern, the offspring would all be intergrades. Same as if you breed it to a mexican milk, black milk, or honduran, they would still be intergrades.
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South Texas Herps

maybe i didn't word the question correctly...what i'm asking is how do i prove the snake out if it is pure or if it is an intergrade??

Dewey

"Looks like an eastern milk. If it is an intergrade, it is just that, an intergrade, not a hybrid. If you bred it to a central plains or a eastern, the offspring would all be intergrades. Same as if you breed it to a mexican milk, black milk, or honduran, they would still be intergrades."

This is the post I am responding too. Exactly where does an eastern or coastal plains milk intergrade with a mexican milk, black milk or Honduran?

You do realize an intergrade means a gradual mix of the two subspecies, not toss them in an container and because they are both of the same specific level, Viola you have intergrades. I am not bashing hybrids, do what you want, but you should, at the very least, pass on the right information.

Go ahead and bash me if you want, but fact is fact and no matter what you say, no way will you convince me that a honduran bred to an eastern milk is an integrade, it should be represented as a man made cross at the least.

First of all, Dork, how on earth did you pick your online name? Good lord.

Anyway, what the previous poster is (correctly) stating that that a honduran and an eastern are both the same species but different subspecies and their resulting offspring would therefore be, by definition, integrades.

What you have is an eastern milksnake.
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"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature, only to what we know of it."

**Anyway, what the previous poster is (correctly) stating that that a honduran and an eastern are both the same species but different subspecies and their resulting offspring would therefore be, by definition, integrades. **

Actually, YOU are wrong. Dork is correct. Intergrades can ONLY occur between subspecies whose ranges actually overlap or border. A honduran and an eastern CANNOT produce intergrades. It is the incorrect term. They are simply interspecific hybrids - nothing more. You should check up on the terms. It is funny that you say 'by definition' because you obviously didn't look up the definition.
GLENN

E.red milk X Red rat: (look at the belly scales)