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Private screening Thurs night in Hollywood..

Fun movie to watch. It is funny, thrilling and rediculous all rolled into one. People will leave the movie a little more stupid then when they went in, but at least they will be laughing.

Not good for snakes though. All including corns, Sinaloans, even shovelnose were portrayed as highly aggressive, venemous creatures that hate humans. The ones doing the biting were all computer generated.

That's good to know. I'll try to stay away from computer generated snakes then.
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3.0 WC; 0.2 CB L. getula californiae
0.1 WC; 10 eggs (7/11) Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

from computer generated snakes, just have your computer generate some antivenom.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
10.22 BRB
10.15 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

....your computer can generate some "anti-ignorance" since the snake ignorance will be more rampant than ever after people see this poor excuse for a film.

Great, as if my burm wasnt "scary" enough to the general public, now everyone thinks shes venomous and has fangs. Whatever. Thanks for helping to set our hobby back.

It's sad and all about the ignorance, and setting our hobby back, BUT at least the opposite won't happen... Do you remember how popular films featuring certain types of animals --- "101 Dalmatians" = Dalmatians, "Finding Nemo" = clownfish, "Men In Black" = Pugs, --- (boy this's really gonna make me sound like a misanthrope) get the idiot, ignorant, impulse buyer members of the general public all in a frenzy to rush out to the pet stores and buy their little brats that cute, sweet, lovable animal from whatever movie they just blew their hard earned $$$ on w/out doing the slightest bit of research?... Well, somehow, I don't see that happening w/ this movie.

P.S. Before you crucify me for bein' a hater, I'm speaking from experience. I was one of those brats w/ a friggin' Dalmatian --- dumbest dog I've ever owned.

reako45

i know this is the reptile form.. but FYI 1 in 5 dalmatians have some kind of hearing problem...
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1.0.0 Bearded Dragon (Rex- "normal" orange fire)
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon (Glutany- German Giant Mix)
0.1.0 Okeetee Corn (Okatee)
1.1.0 Spotted Python (Hotdog and Shoelace)
0.1.0 Jungle Carpet (Teprak)
0.2.0 Dwarf Hamsters (Tipsy and Bubblegum)
1.0.0 Rose Hair Tarantula (Goopy)
1.0.0 Boyfriend (Brian)

Ohhhh, no wonder. Thanx, that expalins it.

reako45

...we saw it - had to! It was so dumb that I was laughing my a@$ off throughout the whole thing! The menacing corn snake really got me!

On a sad note, it appears that some idiot here in Phoenix actually released TWO LIVE WESTERN DIAMONDBACKS during the movie in one of the theaters. This is not a joke. Our herp society was involved with the rescue call. I hate people...
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
3.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
1.0.0 Western Hognose
1.0.0 Albino San Diego Gopher Snake
0.0.1 Sonoran Gopher Snake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.1.1 California Kingsnakes
1.0.0 Yellowtail Cribo
0.1.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
1.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
2.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.1.0 Striped Walking Frogs
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs

screw everthing up for us? I was wondering if someone would do something like that.
Anyway I get to go see Snakes tomorrow and cant wait.I figured they would portray snakes as evil, viscious creatures.Even the news does that.They will stereotyped for many years to come..But if people are gullible enough to believe everything they watch in a movie to be true they deserve to be afraid of snakes.At one time movies were for entertainment purposes not learning experiences, thats what National Geographic is for..
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1.0 ball python
0.1 BCI
0.1 Northern BlueTongue
0.1 normal cornsnake

You should take a moment to actually research the movie, as I have, before you decide to spend your money on it. It DOES portray all snakes as evil, blood-thirsty animals who derive joy from biting people on their nipples, groin, neck, etc. Releasing pheromones to entice snakes to attack? Give me a break. Gotta love seeing 100% harmless snakes being made to jump out at people (are they being thrown by the other snakes?)! Seriously, if you value your animals don't spend your money to support something that just furthers the misinformation that we strive to dispell every day.

If they (Hollywood) realize "Hey we can make a completely retarded, stupid, less than B movie and people STILL pay good money to see it, so how about Snakes on a Boat? Or a Train?" or myriad other ways. My point is that for every person who pays to see this movie they are more inclined to continue making stupid movies. This doesnt even apply to SoaP in particular but rather all movies, but this movie hits home to all of us.

I found the movie to be an absolute pleasure. My favorite parts were the viper fangs on elapids and not being able to positively identify one "venomous" snake.
The special effects were terrible. The plot is flawed on so many levels as to be ridiculous. The audience seemed to be made of mostly snake enthusiasts cheering on the animals. Lots of fun (which is all this is meant to be). I have to suggest being less easily offended and take this product for what it is. If anything, the obvious fakeness will show how fearing snakes is unjustified.

I would agree, but my state is about to revamp our reptile laws as a result of urging by a state rep who publicly has said he wants to eliminate snake keping in Florida.

It does not help our cause to have a movie like this out just when meetings are being held all over the state with Fish & game officials on this topic.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I have a FL VRL. This movie can be used as a defense against changing the regs by being used an an example of prejudice against snakes. Honestly though, our situation is complicated and I seroiusly doubt this fun little movie will come into play with the legislation. These proposed changes are serious and I am very concerned.

Are you going to the F&G sponsored meetings next week?

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I really want to. I know F&G is trying to do the right thing but I wish they could hold a meeting closer to where I live or on a weekend. Family obligations will prevent my attendence. I intend to write a letter. Some of the ideas are acceptable but the micro-chipping is just plain silly. The "Natural Disaster Plan" sounds okay but could be implemented to be prohibitive. Unfortunately, we will all have to live with the result.
Will you be there?

Yes, I will be attending our local meeting. As to chipping, I'm kind of on the fence about this one. For certain large boids and extremely venomous snakes I am inclined to think it might be a good idea.

We know the laws are not going to stay the same and likely we will lose some ground. Better chipping than a complete ban.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I trust that FWC will be true to the claim they are trying to be fair and assure public safety. They are being pushed into an untenable position of grouping venomous with large restrictors. Chips might work on a large constrictor but some neonate venomous animals may not tolerate the slightly invasive technique as well (at least not in my hands since I would try to do this myself (1)).
On the other hand, requiring 1000 hours training to handle a large constrictor seems harsh. Suddenly grouping previously unrestricted animals with those most highly regulated will be challenging.
Back to venomous animals. Only a handful of people are licensed as it is. I am concerned about a shift in the ratio between legitimate and illegitimate owners and handlers. The animals will continue to exist in our state and we need a documented population of people who can handle them should an unusual need arise.
Requiring notification of lost animals will also be interesting. Nobody wants to lose one of these, but is FWC prepared to evacuate neighborhoods and put up with the public hysteria if a non-indigenous coral snake is reported loose?
Good luck at the meeting and feel free to add my points to those you may present, or disagree with them as you choose.

(1) I have a vet willing to handle venomous reptiles. I only brought a C.vegrandis to him once. As much as I like and respect the guy, I would never do this again. He had the required take charge attitude and was ignoring my recommendations while he engaged in some unsafe handling techniques. I don't want to be responsible for him losing a finger and jeopardizing his practice. Therefore, any minor veterinary procedures will be performed by me.

Good points they are. I am adding this to my notes.
On another note, they are discussing placing ID info on cages to tell what is dangerous.

I actually use a system where all Venomous have red stick on spots on the tanks, Midly ven - yellow and harmless - green. Obviously even someone who cannot read can tell what is dangerous vs what is safer.

Lots of other small points to address.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I actually like the labelling idea and the color coding you use is a nice touch. The need to post bite protocols is logical but the available information is inconsistent. FWC would have to provide these to meet their standards.
My biggest worry is the Natural Disaster Plan. Come on, why should we have to provide something the federal government cannot? My collection is small enough that they are all going in bags and will sink or swim should the need arise, but never escape. That had best be good enough. The other part about "Critical Event" just has me confused.
Good luck and I would really appreciate knowing how this goes.

I actually like the labelling idea and your color coding is a nice touch. Posting bite protocols is logical but the available information is inconsistent so FWC would have to provide these to meet their standards.
What really has me concerned is the "Natural Disaster Plan". Come on, how are we supposed to provide something the federal government cannot. My collection is small enough that they are all going into bags and will sink or swim should the need arise, but never escape. The "Critical Event" phrase just has me confused.
Please let me know how this goes.

Kind of gives me the impression thatthey are trying to make this as difficult as possible.

Personally, I had an F7G officer over and took his suggestions on how to make my snake room escape-proof. Three more years of this garbage and I will be out of Florida.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

n/p
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1.0.0 Bearded Dragon (Rex- "normal" orange fire)
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon (Glutany- German Giant Mix)
0.1.0 Okeetee Corn (Okatee)
1.1.0 Spotted Python (Hotdog and Shoelace)
0.1.0 Jungle Carpet (Teprak)
0.2.0 Dwarf Hamsters (Tipsy and Bubblegum)
1.0.0 Rose Hair Tarantula (Goopy)
1.0.0 Boyfriend (Brian)

"Not good for snakes though. All including corns, Sinaloans, even shovelnose were portrayed as highly aggressive, venemous creatures that hate humans."

Which is why I refuse to see it.
As an educator I am mortified at the amount of "education" people (especially kids) recieve from movies and tv (excluding Animal Planet and documentaries of course).

I can guarantee with 100% certainty that there WILL be people stupid enough to think that film is correct and complain about one of use owning a colorful milksnake that was "OBVIOUSLY poisonous" since it was on the movie. Or better yet, some moron is gonna start killing every cornsnake he sees because of it.
We might not hear about it, but I'm sure we all know there are alot of dumb people out there.

I have no problem with badly written films (obviously being written badly on purpose)...hell, I love old godzilla movies and such, but when someone doesn't give a damn about the message they are sending (especially when it undermines something else) then I have a problem.

I might as well make a movie about Adolf Hitler being "a wacky, fun-loving, life-of-the-party kind of guy, who was just misunderstood"...I bet I could get Tom Green to play the title role. I could make a fortune...

I am TICKLED that SoaP is well on its way to being a flop:

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/eo/20060820/115612794000.html

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/eo/20060820/115612482000.html

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20060820/115611453100.html

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20060820/115613760000.html

Ignorance is rampant but furthering ignorance for money is where I take a stand. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO DID NOT SPEND YOUR MONEY ON THIS FILM!!!

I thought it was the best movie I've seen in a long time. I've never laughed so hard. I already have the t-shirt and I can't wait fot it to come out on DVD.
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1.1 albino burms (male also labyrinth)
1.2 babies of albino burms
1.1 normal burms
0.1 baby green burmese
0.2 ball pythons
1.1 spotted pythons
2.5 kenyen sand boas
1.2.1 iguanas
0.0.1 ornate box turtle
1.2 dogs
0.1 children
0.1 wife

Id venture to guess you were laughing for reasons different than the rest of the theater. I also am a burm owner (15 foot female green) and seeing a burm shown as venomous with fangs would elicit a laugh out of the stupidity of that depiction.

If it makes you feel any better, the Burm isn't portrayed as venomous. It does growl, though...LOL.
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
3.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
1.0.0 Western Hognose
1.0.0 Albino San Diego Gopher Snake
0.0.1 Sonoran Gopher Snake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.1.1 California Kingsnakes
1.0.0 Yellowtail Cribo
0.1.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
1.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
2.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.1.0 Striped Walking Frogs
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs

Those links indicate the movie at Number 1 for the weekend with $15.25 million boxoffice. I wish I could fail like that.

It was projected to make low to mid 20s for the weekend and with a production cost of over 35mil it will be hard pressed to make a profit. But the most telling part is that if not for the Thursday nite release figures it would not even have been #1 in its opening weekend. Thats a disgrace with all the hype and marketing. Its simply not a successful movie.

All the more reason to talk it up and get everyone to go (LOL). The hype was consumer generated and the marketing was a lot of free publicity. I suspect no one will lose money on this one but these indications certainly add to the mystique and speculation. Funny movie, can't wait to get the DVD.

"hell, I love old godzilla movies and such, but when someone doesn't give a damn about the message they are sending (especially when it undermines something else) then I have a problem."

Yes, there are those that would be inclined to do dumb things after watching movies. I'm sure some folks out there went out and killed lizards after seeing Godzilla. Maybe moths, too.

The "deadly" snakes in the movie are computer generated and look about as real as the rubber snakes you can buy at the zoo. There always has to be an antagonist in a movie, and this one happened to be snakes. And it is so over the top that you really have to be a moron to believe any of it! Who cares?? It's just a fun waste of time! (Keyword: fun)
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
3.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
1.0.0 Western Hognose
1.0.0 Albino San Diego Gopher Snake
0.0.1 Sonoran Gopher Snake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.1.1 California Kingsnakes
1.0.0 Yellowtail Cribo
0.1.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
1.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
2.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.1.0 Striped Walking Frogs
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs

Oh don't get me wrong dude, I'm sure its entertaining. Heck, just that one line thats being hyped up is rather amusing:
"I am sick of these ____ ____ snakes on this ____ ____ plane!"
The online webcasts that have been generated by that one line are extremely funny.

And I'm cartainly not gonna tell and of this community that they are idiots and morons for seeing it. Nor will I tell anyone what they can or cannot see. To each his own.

WE are smart enough to know whats real and what isn't. But unfortunately 90% (ok maybe thats a little high...who knows) of the population isn't.
WE are the minority here. And ignorance is rampant in the US.
And the worst part, is people are ADAMANT that they are correct.

"WE are the minority here. And ignorance is rampant in the US.
And the worst part, is people are ADAMANT that they are correct."

Welcome to the OPINION AGE, the INFORMATION AGE is over (as is the Knowledge Age that came before it). (I submit this respectfully and as food for thought for everyone.)

I see your point. Unfortunately, whent National Geographic airs a show about giant snakes and shows some little Indonesian guy half eaten by a Retic, people are gonna kill the next Garter that shows up on their lawn. I wish they made a vaccine for stupidity...
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
3.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
1.0.0 Western Hognose
1.0.0 Albino San Diego Gopher Snake
0.0.1 Sonoran Gopher Snake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.1.1 California Kingsnakes
1.0.0 Yellowtail Cribo
0.1.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
1.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
2.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.1.0 Striped Walking Frogs
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs

I think Mel Brooks already did the Hitler routine. And Hogan's Heroes comes close.

Back to the point, people will always be ignorant about the things thay choose to be ignorant about. We can't protect them from themselves. There is no need to be as alarmist as we accuse the snake haters to be.

Animal Planet and National Geographic can give some serious misinformation and misrepresentation, and they are pretending to be accurate.

This movie should result in about as much reaction to snakes as it will be used as a model for the need for more airline security.

I don't want to see any "entertainment police". Feel free to not go to any movie you choose, just don't judge those of us with a differently developed sense of humor.

PS Just about every movie has some kind of element that can cause SOMEONE to do SOMETHING irrational. Maybe as an educator you can recognize this movie as a vehicle to demonstrate how the fear and ignorance of snakes is unfounded.

Well, see my post just above.

I'm not telling any of you guys what to see. Nor am I critisizing anyone (except maybe the authors). By all means, watch it if you want.

I wouldn't call myself an alarmist either. Despite the movie, there are still plenty of dumb people out there. I doubt the movie will make a HUGE difference.

BUT by taking a stand, I know there WILL be a small number of people who see me boycotting (most notably my students) the movie. They will ask why I am doing it and I will state the same thing I have already said: Its a misrepresentation of the snake.

I'm also very certain those people will listen to me and realise the truth that snakes are beautiful animals and NOT monsters that 'hunt' and 'attack' people.

If my refusal to spend $10 on a simple movie saves just one wild animal from human ignorance and arrogance, then I will be content.
I'll consider it the equivalent to a donation to a wildlife santuary or educational buisness.

My comments were meant to be general and not necessarily directed at you.
Most every movie misrepresents something. This particular movie has to be recognized as a comedy. Boycotting gives the movie more respect and credence than it deserves or anyone would expect. If not for the "R" rating, this movie could be recommended to students and used to start a discussion on critical thinking, because even the most untalented students would be able to participate (yes, the movie is that obvious).
The truth about snakes can be conveyed through much more effective and constructive means.