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The USA spends soo much money making sure everyone else is behaving in a way that suits the US. With this in mind tell me why the US government doesnt help the US citizens as well. I lived in the US for 7 years and have never seen soo many homeless people in my life, also the way your country just puts people on the streets who are mentally ill but have run out of insurance money makes me sick. you say capitolism is the best but you never comment on the bad side of it.

Everywhere I went in the US, every shop I went into, every traffic light I stopped at, every car park I parked in, there was someone begging for money, and capitolism works hey, even your Vietnam vets are begging because your government doesnt look after its war heroes after they have done their job and are of no use to them anymore.

Your government lets your people down time and time again, ive seen it all, and you deffend them blindly like they are your friends, yes they like you when they can tax you but if you are down and out then you hope to hell that someone else will help you.

These are just facts, not lies and not meant to dissrespect anyone, I feel sorry for the way it is there, its no joy ride here either but we will be housed and helped when we fall on tough ground.

I just dont get all the trust that you put in your government, regardless of how they treat the American people.

Is there room for questioning as to why they treat you this way.

steve

"The USA spends soo much money making sure everyone else is behaving in a way that suits the US."? It suits us just fine not to have Hijacked planes crash into our buildings, killing our innocent citizens. But you are bothered by our "spending soooooooooooooooooooooooo much money" to protect ourselves. We're soooooooooooo sorry if this offends you!

"The US government doesnt help the US citizens"? We spend soooooooo much money helping people outside of the US, in addition to helping those within our borders, including those who have come from other countries. How come you never comment on the good side of the issue?

"I lived in the US for 7 years"? I'm happy to hear that you are gone. I'm sure that you saw how horrible this country is the day you moved here, judging by your outlandish claim that someone begged for money everywhere you went, every shop, every traffic light, and every car park. How dramatic! Were they in your bed, under the sink, in the kitchen cabinets too? Anyhow, if things were that appalling to you, how could you have possibly survived 7 years of it??????? Or would you rather not comment on the good side of the US?

"The way your country just puts people on the streets who are mentally ill but have run out of insurance money makes me sick." There must be thousands of people just dropping off like flies on the streets of America after hearing your dramatic account. Actually, most homeless people choose to be homeless. If you don't want to deal with the facts, that's your problem. Our social programs may not be perfect but they work, but that doesn't help your agenda.

"It's no joyride here". So I've heard. I have no desire to ever visit your country. This country was born out of a desire to leave England and the dark ages behind. We have much more going on in this country now than England will see in decades to come. So when Bush tells you that "we are the greatest", he's right. Now go tend to your beat up little sensitive feelings. We don't like you either!

Snake Feller

Well this is my point, I tried to tell you what I saw everyday over there, for real and no lies, BUT again you are blind to it. I guess you have a good amount of money.

California is exactly like I said, san diego is rife with homlesness and mentally ill people on the streets, and if they choose to be homeless then why do they choose to be beggers too.

And no exageration, at about 80% of all traffic lights there was someone asking for money, holding up a sign and begging, I expect this in the middle east and India but not in the greatest country on earth as you say. Ive said before that you have some great things going on over there but you choose not to see those again.

Your government yes, is spending billions helping people outside the united states BUT it seems that if the country has something to offer the states in return then its ok but if you live in a place with no oil or other preciouse money making materials then you might as well forget about the US helping you.

Your country could spend billions on itself and clean up your out of control gang lands, its like living in a war zone in the places I use to work. your homeless could have places to stay or at least have money so they wouldnt have to beg.

Im not being harsh again the homeless, I feel for them badly because they are looked upon by you guys as scum most of the time, and your vietnam vets, do you help them. Im just stating the facts, and you are reacting with anger and nothing else because you know im telling the truth.

USA is a great place but please dont tell me you are the greatest in the world and w are not.

steve

I love how you want to be perceived as a guy that thinks the US is a "great place", when all you've done is trash us. I happen to know quite a few Vietnam vets who are doing just fine. There are certain individuals who are able but do not want to work. The government can only do so much. But why should that concern you? Do you have this magnaminous compassion for the downtrodden living in the US, but you despise anyone with money? Where does your concern for our homeless and mentally ill come from, when you hate the country they live in? Are YOU mentally ill? Or do you just despise people who hark hard to earn more money than you? Your bitterness is hard to ignore.

Snake Feller

Snake Feller

Twisting my words is a fun game to you so you can actually look intelegent isnt it.

You Anti-Americans(that's right, I said it) are masters of twisting everyone's words. I especially enjoy your habit of selectively answering posts, totally avoiding those that might compromise your ability to avoid concrete evidence and hard facts.

If you read my posts, I have never talked about HARD facts.

steve

"Never talked about HARD facts". Whatever. You cited massive homelessnes, poverty, and crime as problems with the US, and gave examples (not great ones, but examples), of them. You did deal in hard facts, and don't try to BS your way out of that.

Paul
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Cornsnakes and kingsnakes and gophers oh my!

I wouldnt call those hard facts, just normal facts.

steve

We're equiviocating here. Hard facts as I define them are quantitative, verifable, and can proven or disproven (well, I suppose they're not really facts till proven). You seem to define them as unpleasent facts. Two distinctly different things there. And, at any rate, I'd still think those could count as hard facts either way.

Paul
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Cornsnakes and kingsnakes and gophers oh my!

Actually, you are quite the magician when it comes to the reconstruction of phrases and the dissappearance of topics and the reapppearance of another. What does the AC in your user name stand for? Abra-cadabra?

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Artic circle? Idiotic behavior? A little brain freeze perhaps? You might want to come in out of the cold.

Snake Feller

You are funny, are you now walking around sticking your chest out and calling your friends because you said something that might bother me, wow I bet they are praising you for being soo cool. you are a great model for your country.

steve

At least I have a country!

Snake Feller

"Twisting my words is a fun game to you so you can actually look intelegent isnt it."

Did you mean intelligent, not "intelegent"?

This isn't about me trying to look "intelegent". It's about you succeeding at looking like an idiot.

Snake Feller

you are and idiot, everyone can see that.

are you sure you have had enough sleep there buddy

steve

Resorting to name calling now are ya? The holier than thou hypocrite obviously is out of gas.

Snake Feller

You are a true rep for America

Is everyone like you

steve

"You are a true rep for America

Is everyone like you"

Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you!

I wouldn't say that everyone is like me, but when it comes to a sniveling Brit criticizing our GREAT COUNTRY because you think we're arrogant, I'd say that there's plenty of Americans who feel the same way I do towards little envious terds like you. One thing's for sure, we don't have many in this country who would agree with you. We have a strong national pride, because we have a strong country. If that bothers you, the ha ha, that's your problem.

Snake Feller

I really think there's not many like you buddy, or the whole country would be full of assholes

steve

Who was the jackass who thought he was above making insults? Little Stevie is showing his true colors.

Snake Feller

That's funny. In your first post you mentioned "every traffic light". Now you're down to "eighty percent", lol. Do I hear sixty? Anybody? Sixty? SOLD at eighty percent. Congratulations!

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

When did you live here? Crime rates have been dropping for the last ten years. The Crips and Bloods (the two big gangs in SD IIRC) have been...crippled > severly, and I'm happy about it.

As for your comments on how we spend our money--it's a limited resource, and we will look after things that concern us more. We never will have enough money to cover all the countries, or all the people and places in the globe. You surely recognize that? So why not help out the places where we stand to gain in the intermediate to long run? Why not? We have to pick and choose anyway...
Paul
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Cornsnakes and kingsnakes and gophers oh my!

It is amusing to watch you struggle to find a new angle every time you run out of ammo. Whenever someone compromises the integrity of your credibility(which is a breeze to accomplish), you tuck-tail and run in a completely different direction. Your arguments are becoming weaker with every post you submit. Do yourself a favor Mr. Verbalvomit and take a powder before you make a bigger hypocrite of yourself than you already have.

The fact of the matter is you cant help everyone and some people dont want to be helped. There was a guy a few years ago who sat at the intersection of a busy offramp and just held a sign asking for money all day. The newspaper did a story on him and aked why he didnt get a job. His reply; I make more money doing this so why should I. As for not helping people thats not quite fair to say. We have a HUGE welfare problem here. We have so many people that just sit on their ass all day because the government will send them a check that is equal to what they would get working. We absolutely have problems here but who doesnt. It is a sad state of affairs when people hit rock bottom, but we do have ways to try and help them. They just have to seek out the help, it doesnt just knock on your door one day. One last thing; the US also has a lot of foreigners that come to this country and take advantage of this system. That ends up draining resources that could be used to help even more people. Im not against anyone coming to this country for a better life but when we're giving money away to people just for coming here thats a little absurd. Im not just spewing crap from nowhere, I have relatives who are social workers and see this everyday. I can see how your point of view was made but its not quite like you make it out to be. EP

Thank you for an inteligent post, I was stating what I saw while living there, I know that not everyone wants to work.

I do think that the US has plenty of extra money though, its just used up in ways that some people dont agree with.

thanks

steve

Absolutely we have a lot of money. Unfortunately having some of the bad things is what gives us a lot of the good things. Hopefully the next election will say goodbye to the cowboy and bring in someone that the MAJORITY of Americans want. Not that it will change everything with all the politics involved, but I dont think Bush is the answer. Later, EP

Thanks for your reply, yes, having the money is fine and good but it does go to some peoples heads lol.

thanks

steve

while that is true Id like to test it out firsthand. lol
later, EP

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"I do think that the US has plenty of extra money though, its just used up in ways that some people don't agree with".

That "plenty of extra money" that you so cavalierly speak is tax dollars of hard working US citizens like myself. Who the hell are you to comment on how my money should be spent? When it comes to charity, socialist child, beggars can't be choosers. Unfortunately, there are parasites in this country who would rather sponge off other peoples hard earned tax dollars than go to work. Why are you not dedicating your life to making sure that all of those homeless and wandering mentally ill US citizens are taken care of Robin Hood? Put YOUR money where your big mouth is.

Snake Feller

Wow, are you representing the USA?

you spout off at anything you can, without thinking.

and you try and insult but your words just point back at the kind of person that you really are.

Wow!

Snake Feller

Let me get this straight. You say, and I quote, "I do think the U.S. has plenty of extra money though, it's just used up in ways that some people don't agree with". That's funny, you don't seem to have a problem with us giving you money when you wrote in your post on August first, and once again I quote(your exact words), "The British government pretends to be with you because we will get more money and maybe some more protection".

I dont even live in the UK anymore, and I dont agree with the British government either. I am with the people of England who are against certain things regarding the war and such. Why cant you just exept that some people think diffrent than you, I mean is this how you treat everyone that differs from you.

steve

Its all a big show anyway, and we are censored as are you.

and I have never asked money from the US, the government has but im not as proud as you are about my government. and I have no need to defend them.

Aaahhh, the truth comes out. The bitterness you harbor for our country stems from the jealousy you feel as a result of your dislike for your own country, which you profess to know so much about yet don't even live there, LOL!

Funny, I just re-read your post and you mentioned the British government and then went on to use the word "we", as if you were a part of that thinking. How provocative! Are you sure you want to continue this conversation, Mr.Icantseemtostopputtingmyhypocriticalfootinmybigmouth?

Man oh man

You have a great way of showing how ignorant you are.

"I dont even live in the UK anymore, and I dont agree with the British government either. I am with the people of England who are against certain things regarding the war and such." I'm sure that Tony Blair was happy to see you go. So, you left a country who's government couldn't get it's act together, and here you are criticizing our government? Did the US revoke your visa? Is that why you are bitter toward us?

"Why cant you just exept that some people think diffrent than you, I mean is this how you treat everyone that differs from you." But we DO except that you can't stand Americans (for "thinking different than some Brits" and we've, in return, expressed our bitterness right back at ya. Those who insult us get treated like you have, but we still recognize that you "think different than" us.

"Its all a big show anyway, and we are censored as are you." Paranoid are ya? Maybe Bush's evil regime plans to raid my house in the middle of the night!

"and I have never asked money from the US, the government has but im not as proud as you are about my government. and I have no need to defend them." After reading your drivel, I'm sure that your government isn't proud of you either, and I doubt that they'd defend you. Even though YOU never asked for money from the US, I'm sure that didn't stop you from SPENDING it.

Listen clown, if the US bothers yoy that much, why don't you divorce yourself from anything American, including this forum? You are never going to be treated nicely by the people that you bash. You haven't made one good point, so why don't you quit while your behind?

Snake Feller

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The deffensiveness and bitterness that you hold inside you is going to eat you up someday.

And once again I need to point out that because we differ from you, does not mean we are anti American or hate you. BUT you and the other guys always keep telling us that we hate you and are anti USA. why is this.

I guess you guys are the paranoid ones

The fact of the matter is you cant help everyone and some people dont want to be helped. There was a guy a few years ago who sat at the intersection of a busy offramp and just held a sign asking for money all day. The newspaper did a story on him and aked why he didnt get a job. His reply; I make more money doing this so why should I. As for not helping people thats not quite fair to say. We have a HUGE welfare problem here. We have so many people that just sit on their ass all day because the government will send them a check that is equal to what they would get working. We absolutely have problems here but who doesnt. It is a sad state of affairs when people hit rock bottom, but we do have ways to try and help them. They just have to seek out the help, it doesnt just knock on your door one day. One last thing; the US also has a lot of foreigners that come to this country and take advantage of this system. That ends up draining resources that could be used to help even more people. Im not against anyone coming to this country for a better life but when we're giving money away to people just for coming here thats a little absurd. Im not just spewing crap from nowhere, I have relatives who are social workers and see this everyday. I can see how your point of view was made but its not quite like you make it out to be. EP

The fact of the matter is you cant help everyone and some people dont want to be helped. There was a guy a few years ago who sat at the intersection of a busy offramp and just held a sign asking for money all day. The newspaper did a story on him and aked why he didnt get a job. His reply; I make more money doing this so why should I. As for not helping people thats not quite fair to say. We have a HUGE welfare problem here. We have so many people that just sit on their ass all day because the government will send them a check that is equal to what they would get working. We absolutely have problems here but who doesnt. It is a sad state of affairs when people hit rock bottom, but we do have ways to try and help them. They just have to seek out the help, it doesnt just knock on your door one day. One last thing; the US also has a lot of foreigners that come to this country and take advantage of this system. That ends up draining resources that could be used to help even more people. Im not against anyone coming to this country for a better life but when we're giving money away to people just for coming here thats a little absurd. Im not just spewing crap from nowhere, I have relatives who are social workers and see this everyday. I can see how your point of view was made but its not quite like you make it out to be. EP

The fact of the matter is you cant help everyone and some people dont want to be helped. There was a guy a few years ago who sat at the intersection of a busy offramp and just held a sign asking for money all day. The newspaper did a story on him and aked why he didnt get a job. His reply; I make more money doing this so why should I. As for not helping people thats not quite fair to say. We have a HUGE welfare problem here. We have so many people that just sit on their ass all day because the government will send them a check that is equal to what they would get working. We absolutely have problems here but who doesnt. It is a sad state of affairs when people hit rock bottom, but we do have ways to try and help them. They just have to seek out the help, it doesnt just knock on your door one day. One last thing; the US also has a lot of foreigners that come to this country and take advantage of this system. That ends up draining resources that could be used to help even more people. Im not against anyone coming to this country for a better life but when we're giving money away to people just for coming here thats a little absurd. Im not just spewing crap from nowhere, I have relatives who are social workers and see this everyday. I can see how your point of view was made but its not quite like you make it out to be. EP

You are mistaking supporting a governments actions (or it's general course) with saying it's perfect. No one here has actually said that; we may prefer to live here, instead of any other country, but we don't say it has no flaws. We just say we think it's the best.
And, also, most of us here are defending our countries right to defend itself against Afghanistan (and countering some ludicrous conspricay theories), as well as our right to look after our interest in Iraq.
Do we have problems? Yes. But, as far as I can see, the strengths of the US certainly make it worth it.

BTW, about the smartass comment about beggars--I'm sorry, but many of them are NOT normal people. Hate to say it, I really do. But, most of them spend that dollar you give them on drugs or booze. It's not PC to say so, but I do think it's the truth. Capitalism is a meritocracy, more or less, and those people didn't cut it, for whatever reason. It's a shame, and would that we could fix the problem, but we can't, at least not within the current economic system--which produces overall better results than communism or socialism, the two alternitives that people have come up with so far.

Paul
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Cornsnakes and kingsnakes and gophers oh my!

OK - I did a little research here on the UK's homeless issues. Just for a little perspective. Here we go:

The UK has NO (none that I could find)services to aid in their own homeless veterans - and there are MANY of them there. If there are some - and I would like to assume there are, I accept that I was wrong - in advance.
The US has over 30 GOVERNMENT FUNDED services for them alone. This does not take into account the privately funded organizations.

There are over 200,000 homeless people in London alone. The numbers for the rest of the UK varied anywhere between 2.5 million to over 5 million, so I'm not 100% sure what the figure is.

60% of the homeless in the UK suffer from some sort of Mental health issue or another. Yes - 60%.

45% of the homeless in the UK beg money for drugs or alcohol.

37% of the homeless that are accepted into one of the few shelters or hostels leave within 3 weeks to go back to the street.

So there goes that argument, which seemed to be the one you were really stuck on, now on to some other issues.

If you come in and attack an American, you're going to catch hell. Be it by words, planes, guns, actions, animal, mineral or vegetable, you're in trouble. Hence the reason everyone here is on your case. Keep arguing. Please. It makes my day, truly. Also the reason we're doing what we're doing in the middle east. We were attacked. We're retaliating. Human reaction. If you wanted to know something - like why we let the government treat us the way you seem to think is akin to beating and starving us and threatening us with death, or what our opinions are on the war or the government, you would have found a less offensive way to do it. Now, my personal opinion is thus: you're trying to pick a fight so you can try and make us look bad. You have yet to make a valid point on any issue you've mentioned, just handed off some bad information - please notice that I actually DID some research before I came into the fray - subjected us to your sorry wit and intelligence and basically demonstrated time and again that you're a truly maladjusted individual. I am by no means saying you're wrong in your opinion of the US. An opinion is just that - a feeling based on what you think you know. We DO have problems - more than we can handle at the present moment. There's no question about it. But, do you go to someones house that you don't know and say something like "Man, your house stinks, your carpet needs vacuuming and the dishes and your wife are ugly"? You might, but it's not recommended by society. If you feel the need to bash the United States - go for it. It's your right as a human. BUT, choose your fights a little better. Go find people who think the same way you do and talk to them about it.
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