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Does it bother anyone else that there are ads in the classifieds for albino nelsoni (20 of them) at $50 each?

Yeah, damn free economy with no government restrictions. Guess what would happen to the gas prices if we had the same free economy there??? Most of you don't realize that there is a law that forces stations to sell there gas for a minimum over wholesale. It is like 8 cents over wholesale minimum.

So no I don't mind falling prices even at the cost of my own profits,I have some this year. If you think any prices are going to hold with the cost of living going up and the "throw away money" that everybody buys with decreasing than you are just not realistic. We are heading to a recession and this hobby is going to take a big hit. Our economy can not absorb this big of a increase in gas. I am a locksmith by trade and all of our locks have increased between 10% all the way up to 40% because of the war and the need of brass. This going to slowly hit every facet of our lives. Hope you are not into ball pythons

Later Jason

lol....well said jason.keeping and/or breeding herps is surely a labor of love;any other reason to be in it is no reason at all...that lock-step pricing crap gets old.how the hell am i ever gonna buy something like,oh,a heloderma or drymarchon if the breeders play that wink-and-nod b.s. with each other on the pricing freeze?not to mention,more folks keeping/breeding these animals can't hurt the diversity either.
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Brass?? lol. Funny because the price of ammo has been the same if not better.
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Steve W.

There's a lot of hysteria about the economy right now, much of it is just from fear mongers. Negativity sells, don't buy it.
Link

The mean wealth of the country has gone up yes, but the median wealth has gone down over the last 8 years. So the economy really is depressed (in both senses). This means that if you are middle class or below, you are finding it harder to make ends meet and have less disposable income (as a percentage of your annual income). The way the statistics are currently assesed the mean is reported.

The mean is misleading, if bill gates walks into a bar in Big Stone Gap, WV, then the mean wealth of every one in the bar has just jumped up several thousand percent. But, except for Bill Gates himself, no one in that bar is worth more than $30,000. The median income of the bar will remain $30,000 though.
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Natural Selection Reptiles

Sorry have to disagree, with "rising gas prices" you'd think people would slow down, they don't. People have a never ending need to spend, the smart people capitalize on that. That's the biggest determination of the economy being "bad" or "good."
Link

Its OK to disagree, but the data show that you are wrong. Gas prices are high, but they are not that high. In fact, even the adminsitrations economist say that gas prices would have be over 4.50/gallon before people start changing their driving habits. Ofcourse, gas prices are a regressive indicator of the economy, meaning that it has a larger impact the lower your income is. The price of gas is irrelevant to Bill Gates's personal life. But, for the average middle class person the price of everything is related to gas: food (the price of shipping, tending and harvesting crops and fertilizers) and other goods, clothing, anything that has plastic in it.

The biggest determination of the whether the economy is good or bad is what the median disposable income is. Which is at its lowest point in just about 8 years. For many many reasons, not just the price of gas.

I dont expect to change your opinion though,
Have a great day,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

No, I am all for free economy. What bothers me is that just about all other breeders of albino nelsoni have them going for at LEAST $75 each. This person seems to just want to unload as many as possible in a short amount of time, making a quick dollar and undercutting everyone else. Obviously prices will go down theres no stopping that but it would be nicer if prices could all go down together at a relatively similar rate. I am not a breeder so I have no hidden incentive here.

-Zach
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Well you got a bunch of us jumping at you Sorry about that. If it makes you feel any better I won't be dropping down that low anytime this year.

Later Jason

I paid $2,000 each for three babies a decade ago.
How much did you pay for yours?
Like it or not, prices for most snakes are steadily declining.

Tim

Third Eye

That albino nelson has got to be one of the best I have seen. The lemon yellow bands are killer $2000 or not.

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

I agree I just purchased a real nice sockhead pueblan it was listed for $45 I was enraged and insisted it be sold to me for $200 thankfully the seller said ok.

The simple solution to this problem is to buy the whole clutch at the advertised price then resell them at what you think they are worth. Think of the money you would make for simply turning them around! If you really think they are worth more, its a no brainer!

Of course, if you don't think you could sell that many or for more money and didn't want to get stuck with them ....hmmm.... maybe that's why they are "underpriced" in the first place.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

Once again I am just a hobbyist who has never bred snakes. I have neither the room nor time to care for that many snakes. Of course, taht is probably why they are in a hurry to unload them at that price. It is clear that some breeders just want to produce as much as possible of something and then realize they dont want to deal with waiting to sell them all at standard prices... so the better simple solution would be to only produce what you are capable of maintaining and not flood the market...

Zach
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AIM sn: z10silver

who cares if someone sells snakes at what price???....i always sell my animals lower than "retail" or i give them to friends....why...'cause i keep these guyz for the "love of the game"....i gotta job...if you're always lookin' at the "bottom line"...maybe you should reevaluate why you're in snakes....if $$ is the reason...then you gtta turn over your portfolio and keep changin' species so you're on the top of the price pyramid....no offense to any of youse guyz

More people can afford to buy them. Ernie Wagner used to talk about that in articles a long time ago. When things are new only a select few can affored to buy them for enjoyment or big breeders for investment purposes(they take big risks/things can go bad...)Eventually the price drops and the nobody hobbyists like myself can go out and enjoy them and we are the MAJORITY. Hopefully the breeders that initially made big bucks for their risks now make gains by selling the MANY more in numbers.

But I agree with a lot of folks about needing to do this for the love of the animals, even giving some of your young to friends. When it's just about bucks you're maybe ripping off yourself.
Bob

That's true and I never thought about it from that point of view. However, my point is that I am against these "snake factory" type breeders who pump them out and sell them as fast as possible. I admire the breeders who may have smaller collections but who can really focus on the individual animals. If I do ever successfully breed my milks I will most definitely be giving some to friends, and I think that getting others interested in the hobby is a great thing to do.

-Zach
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AIM sn: z10silver