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New granite mex mex from Daytona

MikeMurphy Aug 21, 2006 10:11 AM

This pair of granite mex mex was a huge suprise for me from Rich and Connie of Serpenco. I work at their tables every year in Daytona and they always do something nice for me. This year it was this pair of snakes ($1,500 for the pair!) from Mark Bell. Mark said he's not really sure about the genetics of these guys and that there is a ton of variation in "speckling". You can see that with these two. They also apparently came from wildcaught adults originally that showed a lot of speckling and when those were bred the speckling increased. Check out the cool head and tail patterns. They are yearlings and are nice and fat. Steve, the manager at Mark's Reptile Industries, said they eat pinks like crazy right off the bat. Anyone know anything else about them or their origins? The one on the top is the female and the two shots below are the male. I'll post some better ones soon. Thanks again Rich and Connie!

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Joe Forks Aug 21, 2006 10:37 AM

They first showed up in Europe about 15-18 years ago. I'm not sure about the origin but it's probably safe to say they from Alverez animals

MikeMurphy Aug 21, 2006 11:26 AM

Thanks for the photos Joe. Do you know if they just showed up in clutch or if WC adults exhibited any degree of speckling? Reminds me of some of the more westerly locales of alterna.

Joe Forks Aug 21, 2006 11:50 AM

It's been a long time, but if I recall they just showed up. There is a bit of variation in wild mex mex, MCZ24977 (W. W. Brown) has those cool dorsal blotches and alternate spots, but I wouldn't call it speckled. I've got a photo of an animal from another locality that has thin slits and or red spots, nothing like a typical mex mex. Then there's a Carnegie Museum animal that is just plain weird, but it's from still another locality.

I wondered what had happened to those speckled ones because I hadn't seen any in so long. I'm glad someone still had them.

>>Thanks for the photos Joe. Do you know if they just showed up in clutch or if WC adults exhibited any degree of speckling? Reminds me of some of the more westerly locales of alterna.

Uncloudy Aug 22, 2006 02:39 PM

Are those pure mex mex and just a different locale?
Intergrade?
They are very cool and different.
Curious,
Uncloudy

MikeMurphy Aug 25, 2006 08:38 PM

Yeah, they are supposed to be pure. I definitely asked that question. I guess one of the original pair showed some speckling and then through selective breeding they got them to this point. Pretty cool. I can't wait to see what the babies from this pair look like.

rick millspaugh Aug 23, 2006 01:27 PM

Those were incredible! If I would have had more $ (and of course space) I would have gotten a pair, I looked at them all weekend and was disappointed when I saw the one I wanted was gone. You saved me from righting a check – LOL. They looked pure to me too and one other person had pics of some but none available yet.
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vichris Aug 23, 2006 04:07 PM

Ooooooh ya, those are really nice. Now that's a Mex-Mex I could really get excited about. Those are absolutley gorgeous.
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