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OK, here is the deal, I got three normals, three Pastels and two "Morphs" from my Ghost/Pastel x original Mojave cross female breeding this year. Just to be clear, the original Mojave cross female is NOT a Mojave, just a Hypo looking female that produced the Mojave crosses when bred by a Mojave...but I digress. The two "Morphs" have granite looking sides, one is much more obvious than the other, but both also have head markings and a clean belly. They are easy to spot for me now that I have looked at them for awhile. Anyways, the problem I have is with the Pastels. They look more like the YB Pastel that I have than the normal Pastels that I have, and am wondering if they could be "Pastel crosses?" These pics are post first shed, taken today. Any thoughts? Are they normal Pastels, or could they be Pastel crosses?

Pic one-originator female for the Mojave crosses
Pic two-from left to right, normal, Pastel (cross), Morph
Pic three-normal up top, Morphs on the far right and far left, and the three Pastels (cross).

Sweet Pastels. It seems that you have definately proven that trait co-dom. I hope the super isn't a leucistic and you get something way better. I'd say they are something unique I would definately keep them and and try to make supers from both traits to see what the outcome is.

Thanks, I think I will keep them and see what happens as they age.

Hey Dave,

Here it goes (haha). I'm probably not telling you anything you havent already figured out, but oh well. The two "morphs"(lets call them Dr. Peppers for now) seem to be just like mom, and i dont know how long your had her, but i have a feeling they are going to grow up to look just like her. As for the pastels, I've hatched over 20 pastel clutches from many lines, and they dont look like that, plus you can see some Dr. pepper in them. Those "pastel crosses" are exacly that, you hit the odds and they are "Dr. Pepper Pastels", this is confirmed even better by the fact that you had 2 normals in the clutch to compare to. Good luck with everything, you've got some serious breeding to do! Man im thirsty.

-Grant
gdreptile@gmail.com

I agree with what you said, I just put my Pastel male in next to the three Pastel?s, and they look totally different. My wife even could tell them apart.

they are something.....

you must keep them all and see how they color out......what they breed out in F2 ( F3's)......

you are screwed into owning alot of balls......a long time....

too much work???.......send some here......we'll hook you up good later........

........just a thought......

burgundy pastels.........hmmm.......

almost look like fire pastels..........xxx......not quite as light
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is it just me or do all your pictures look washed out like a psp lighten effect? I'm not saying you have altered your pics but every pic you post seems to have this appearance to me.

Now to the female that you are trying to prove out. If you continue to breed her to other morph animals you are going to have a long hard time trying to figure her out. Put her to a normal male, gasp a normal male. Yes a normal male. That way any abnormal baby that comes you would know that it is the mothers trait and nothing coming from any other line. If they all come out normal than you breed one of her son's back to her and prove it out.

Those pastel's look phenominal but it's hard with the contrast of that pic and the background to see their actual colors and contrast. The other animals in the pic are equally as hard to make out. Put them on a clean black background with good lighting and post a new pic and we can all give our unbiased opinions. Include head, belly and full body shots.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Not sure I know what a psp lighten effect is?? The last two pics were taken today, outside, in natural light, but not in the sun, in my courtyard. Most of my pics come out a bit dark, some I use "quick fix" on, but did not use it on any of these. Why would I breed her to a normal male? We got two plain "morphs", so I am not sure what breeding her to a normal male would do except waste a year.

Pics: "morph", not a great pic, and not from this clutch, but the same morph, next is morph, pastel(cross), morph, with normal up top, final pic is pre first shed, morph and pastel (cross)

the firs two pics do look very light again but that last pic appears to show the actual colors and they look very nice. The point of breeding to a normal is that you don't have to worry about a gene you didn't know about popping up. Many breeder's have morph x poss het's that they don't prove out in 2-3 years so they sell the offspring as the normal morph but in reality they could be carrying another trait that could pop up in your collection and make it difficult to prove new or different morphs. That's just the way it should be done, prove out a morph then market and show off. Or am I just old fashioned?
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

This is a pic of the Pastel (Crosses) and my Pastel from the same father, different clutch, normal mother.

Dave