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Do bumble bees and killer bees display this behavior too or does it just stay with the spiders?
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Dave

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everything that has the spider gene in it has the possibility to shake/wobble. The degree of wobbling depends on the animal itself not the parenting spider. There are some spiders that seem to not display the trait have babies that wobble and there are animals that wobble terribly have babies that almost don't wobble at all. I say almost don't wobble because I personally believe they all wobble/shake to some degree at some point. Some out grow the shaking while others don't. It's really up to the person buying as to whether they are willing to have one of the nicest looking snakes that is one of the best combo morphs and it could wobble or have babies that wobble. To me it's a "no brainer". The trait does not have any negative properties and they are some of the best eating and breeding morphs out there for some reason. A personal or breeding collection is missing something without at least one spider in it in my opinion.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Josh, very interesting reply concerning the bobble head spiders. I tell all my customers that they all have the bobble head thing. even if i dont see it in them all. that way you cover all your bases, just in case they see something that you have never seen. and yes a baby can have this and grow out of it. also it is a very small number of hatchlings that would display it. and it also has no effect on how the snake grows,eats or breeds. this is just my opionion. ED CLARK

I don't think it's anybody's opinion, I believe it's fact. For those that went to daytona and actually looked at most of the spider hatchlings for any amount of time you should agree with me. This was 2 straight years that I have observed this on such a large scale so maybe with a few more years everyone can come to an agreement on this subject, it's obvious it doesn't hurt the marketing of the animals.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Anything with the Spider gene in it has the potential to display this condition, however I think they tend to grow out of it anyway.. Spiders tend to be cruisers and alot more active than just about any ball python normally is , not sure why but it seems to be true.. Regardless it seems to be a very mild problem that most people are willing to accept to have such a cool looking snake, Spiders are a must have regardless of this issue I'd say.. Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles..

So far no one has reported that the head shake appears in any of the spider crosses.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizards of unknown origin

Perhaps Not reported because they don't want people to know.. I have a Bumble Bee male that doesn't have head shakes but he can exhibit the twisting neck condition that many people have seen in their regular Spiders.. It is safe to say that the Spider gene itself does this so why would breeding the Spider gene to a Pastel be any different , the Spider gene is still there , no magic is done here , do you think the snake knows it's a pastel as well as a Spider???? Other morph genes would not be any more likely to cancel out the problem , if it was possible to rid this condition don't you think that a total outcross to a Normal would eliminate the problem?? Believe what you like, I think people just don't always run to Kingsnake to report what they see, fearing it would make them look bad or something ...... I just call em as I see em, no tricks here , this works for me..... Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles..

very good point anthony. My spider doesn't wobble per say but does do the neck twist on occasion when in his tub. It's funny when I take him out and hold him or put him on the ground he crawls perfectly normal. I also agree, it's a very minor thing compared to how awesome they are.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

To put it bluntly, Tosha, you are wrong.

There were Bumblebees babies for sale at Daytona that had the whole wobble thing going on...

Actually I didn't say it didn't occur - but that no one had come forward to say that thiers did or even that they had seen any that did. This seems to be the first public confirmation that it occurs - which would actually make my statement correct.

So now we know it happens in crosses also - thanks for the heads up!
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizards of unknown origin

actually last year after daytona I stated on this forum that almost every spider and spider cross at the show wobbled to some degree and I've stuck by that statement since even after I bought my spider which doesn't wobble but does do the neck twist thing.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I think that the spiders are soo cool that people do tend to overlook a 'wobble' if they have one that does it...even the people that post about spiders wobbling end up buying them lol...that's how awesome they are.
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
ghireptiles.com