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What do you think this guy is?

JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 12:43 PM

The trio below came from the following breedings:

the stripe is from Serpenco Lav Motley Het Opal Male X S. Lav Mot Female, it is the one I am trying to identify.
the lav aztec is from same father X opal aztec
the opal is from the same breeding above

Do you think perhaps he is a hypo lavender?

Replies (14)

JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 12:45 PM

thanks for looking
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JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 12:46 PM

another
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JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 12:47 PM

last pic
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Kat Aug 23, 2006 02:39 PM

... based on your description of the clutch, you'd expect the snake to be homozygous for lavender...

But that last headshot doesn't look lavender at ALL. Is there any possibility another male had access to the female? Or perhaps retained sperm might've been the culprit?

Here's a hatchling hypo lav for comparison...

-Kat
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JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 03:48 PM

Nope , the same male was bred to the female last year, it was her 1st year and the clutch went bad. The only other male I used this year was a high white reverse okeetee and they were never put together. I only have a handful of corn breeders.
Honestly I was thinking Hypo lav or I know this sounds crazy but it almost looks like a Ultramel Lavender, although I have only seen pics etc... and that is unlikely. BUT heck I never expected to produce opal either so ???

Kat Aug 23, 2006 03:59 PM

Well... maybe it's the lighting, but the coloration in that last pic looks more like I would expect to see out of a b-flat motley than a hypo lav-motley. Heck, hypo, lav, and motley all have melanin-reducing effects, and I would've expected closer to a ruby pupil too.

In comparison, the following are links to KNOWN hypo lavenders:
http://www.vmsherp.com/images/ForSale/06Cornsnakes/F049-02M.JPG
http://www.vmsherp.com/images/ForSale/06Cornsnakes/F049-01F.JPG

And lastly... the snake in that pic is DEFINITELY not an ultramel lavender. No way in --insert netherworld of your choice-- is that an ultramel lav.

-Kat
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JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 04:51 PM

Well his irises are orange, he is going into shed now , but when he shed's I'll try to send you some closeup pics, I am pretty sure he has purple pupils.
Sorry about mentioning the Ultralav thing was just a thought...

Kat Aug 23, 2006 06:22 PM

>>Well his irises are orange, he is going into shed now , but when he shed's I'll try to send you some closeup pics, I am pretty sure he has purple pupils.
>>Sorry about mentioning the Ultralav thing was just a thought...

You wouldn't believe the number of people that hatch out a regular hypo with ruby eyes and decide it's all of a sudden an 'ultramel'. Or the number of newbies I've had point at a similar snake and say it has to be an 'ultramel'. Ruby eyes doth not an ultramel make. Plus, I've been comparing your pics side-by-side with some pics of an ultramel lav, and I just don't see that yours is even close. The coloration of yours (except the head shot) might pass for an ultramel non-lav in shed... but it just doesn't look lavender at all to me.

Also... the orange irises would be wrong for a lavender morph... which is why I'm questioning the labelling of the snake. If it did indeed come from lav mot X lav mot, it sure doesn't look it in the headshot... doesn't really look it much in the other shots either...

A post-shed pic may be helpful in determining what he is, as while the first two pics were indeterminite, the head shot almost looks like it doesn't go with the same snake... except the pattern matches.

How old is the snake, anyway? That may help. It looks (color-wise) in the head shot like it ought to be a yearling or older, but it also looks like it's at the bottom of a deli-cup in the other pic?

-Kat
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JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 07:21 PM

The snake is about 2-3 weeks old. It is 100% lavender something, I bet my collection on it. No way it can't be since both parents are pure lavenders.I sent pics to a friend of mine Don Soderberg and he said it could be a hypo lavender but wasn't sure, perhaps it is? Seems they come in many shades, he sent me pics of some that look quite a bit different from the pics you posted.Just like to figure out what he is.

Below is the father..
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JustinMitcham Aug 23, 2006 07:22 PM

mother
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Kat Aug 23, 2006 08:29 PM

There's no arguing that the parents are lavenders...

For the record, I showed the pics to a friend, and his opinion is that your "mystery" snake is a lavender mot, and that the headshot is just a crappy pic. I'd be willing to go with that theory myself... it's more likely than something new cropping up.

Post pics when he sheds... preferrably in good lighting. That might help.

-Kat
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pinky Aug 27, 2006 10:26 PM

His grand parents were Ultra x Oketee possible het lav. Two siblings from that breeding produced this. The siblings have been proven to be ultramel.

pinky Aug 27, 2006 10:31 PM

Forgot to mention the Oke grandparent was het amel.
The parents of the hatchling are two siblings in this photo. The ones with the most orange.

Spardawolf Aug 23, 2006 03:46 PM

BTW, email me I would like to talk to you about the offspring from that female.
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