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This is a hypo with very little or no reduced black.

Opps wrong pic.

I was wondering about the first lol

OK, I'm not an expert or a guru,, but I have a "guess". Lets see if I finally get one right?

Sunglow, amel with no white
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Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

No, not amel. It is motley, but it has normal eyes. the first one is Ultramel, possibly lav as well.

I said I was no expert. lol But isn't motley a pattern phase? But if normal eyes, I'll change my guess to a very hypo something. I should be close with that lol. I never even looked at its eyes. The colors just looked like a sunglow. Be it a motley one.
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Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

Maybe a motley lava? The lava is very hypo. If so very cool, I think they are a bit hard to come by,, nice snake though. No matter what he/she is.
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Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

Where did you get it from, and do they know the parents? Here is a pic of one I used to have, and they do look similar.

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Paula
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Sparda,

I remember you are from somewhere in PA. my snake came from a breeder at Hamburg named Ted Frey. the snakes name is sweetheart, as she has a perfect heart head pattern.

looks just like a motley hypo I had before.......

...I forget where it went?......
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

The sub adult is not the neonate. I possted the wrong pic the first time, The adult came way of Ted Frey.

Motley has a "phantom hypo" effect. Thee is simply something about that particular genetic mutation that lightens and bightens the colorations, as well as reducing the black.

So, the snake may not be any type of hypo, but rather just exhibiting an unusual amount of what is often found in motlies. The only way to know for certain is to breed the snake to a non-motley hypo to see if the resulting babies come out as hypos o not.

Anyway...just a thought. You probably already knew that, but maybe someone else didn't.

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I was just talking with a friend on IRC last night I had not heard from in many months. I was asking about hypo boa genetics. But we talked in general about a few things. For the record he's about finished with his Masters in Bio and has a good background in genetics. Anyways, he happen to mention that they have found that is a particular gene is effected, the genes adjacent and even near it may be effected.

So MAYBE? (my guess! the motley is next to of close to the hypo gene?
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Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

What color are the pupils on the neonate you posted?
What are the parents?
What is the lineage of the adult you posted?

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles

Don,

The gradparents of this snake were Ultra (Serpen*co stock before he stopped selling Ultras) x Okeetee het Amel posiibly het lav. I won't go as far as to say that it is Ultramle lav, but the breeder claims that there is no anery in this line.
I'll include pictures of the sibling parents of that breeding that produced that neonate and the other pictured here. The one I am calling ulta anery is stange indeed. I have two additional clutchs from this male that I would like to talk with you about.

The parents are the two oranger ones in the photo. I suspect that the grey one is Ultramel aney. I will hopefully learn this in a few weeks with a test breeding to an anery het amel.

...the parents you have are ultramels. Jeff told me there were normals in the brood so they can't be ultras. If the sire had been ultra, when bred to a lavender het for amel, you wouldn't have gotten any normals.

What you have there is worth more anyway. Ultras have higher breeding value, but less beauty than the ultramels. It would be interesting to discover from where Rich's breeders originated. I say this because your's and mine have that overall gold coloration without being het for caramel. I've seen others that do not have that gold "overtone".

Kudos.

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles

would produce amesls, Ultramel and ultra except that I put the grey adult in the breeding progrm as well. That is why I got two normals. I don't think I got any Ultra, but I wouldn't know one if I saw it. I got amels, Ultramels, maybe one is Ultra from the Ultramel male Ultramel female and the normals came from that ruby eyed ghost adult. He cam way of the group from Prairiland.

Anery in the family tree or not, that middle picture looks lavender ultramel to me. Congratulations.

You say Rich sold you an ultra. If you got albinos in the clutch, it is actually ultramel.

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles

No, Rich didn't sell it to me, but When I saw Rich at the local show he did remember selling it to the breeder I g0t my parents from. He is one parent as a neonate.

On my monitor it reminds me of an amber. Awesome looking snake anyway, no matter what it is!