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strange that both parents of this one are typical jet-black MBK

Not that strange in my opinion. Sometimes you will get the looks like yours from all black parents.
Most times it does dissappear though with age.
I think the mbk in the wild would have much the same look, don't you?
Some say the mbk is just a black splendida and show it.
I like the totally black but I do like the pattern too!
Yours is nice.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

i only put the word "strange" in my post to generate interest. And i totally agree with the idea that MBK are just black SDK and SDK are merely patterned MBK.
I have heard that C.B. MBK have been selectivly bred for the jet-black look and SDK have been bred for the patterns that sell good.
Now what do you think of this Pin-Dot MBK's strange belly?

Cool, but again,not that strange I think.
I had one pure black male that when to a specific pure black female, would produce snakes with RED specks/checks on their bellies..WTF?
Since, as you eluded to, they weren't desirable (sellable) I quit that pairing and never got any more like that. If it were something I had time to mess with and really wanted to, maybe I shoulda kept it up to see what would have eventually happened with that "line".
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

i would like to see a pic of a MBK with even half the amount of ventral color as my "PIN-DOT/FIREBELLY MBK". I doubt if you have a pic of this type. Please produce a pic Mark, here's another.

Well you got me there. I doubt I ever took any good ones. I may have a scan-able one. Doubt it. Mine didn't have that "stripe" thing going down the center but rather mostly right at the side/ventral area.
If you had been around, you coulda had 'em all.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

..so at least I can find my notes...
Maybe a pic??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

Ventral area? you mean like pink anal plate? that's about as common as their white chin spot, and i doubt if i would've wanted them even if i was around,heh heh,lol, the MBKs i keep now days are mostly patterned, the other type is too abundant.

No not the anal plate, all along the side and at the sides of the ventral scales.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

you don't have a pic because i think you're FULL of IT, no one ever produced MBK like that, and the only way i could believe it, is if I at least saw a pic and then i prolly would doubt they are full MBK. And i suppose you're gonna say you are the only one who produced them? right? Ah-hahahahahah-haah ROFLMAO!!! btw nice GBK at the top of page! later.......

well you can believe what you want...
n/m
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

..did you see those that were for sale earlier this year?? I believe the guy said they were splendida, but they had lots of red.
Kinda cool.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

No, was he a well known breeder? Do you remember his name? DNK has some awesome patterned MBK right now, i'm not sure about any pink/orange tho.

I can't remember right off... maybe in CA or AZ?
About 6 wks ago??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

That's what i thought, like i said b/4 you're FULL of IT. Let me know when you can back up your statments. Later until then.

just so you both know i deal with dnk a lot and my mbk from him is jet black he said he might send me some patterned ones cuz he cant seem to move them so make a good offer and hell probaly take it his mbk's are awesome i love mine shes a great eater but i will find out if his have any color to them
adam

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0.0.32 baby corns
2 leo eggs-due sept
0.1. normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0. snow corn het hypo,anery,amel
1.0. amel corn unknown hets(4ft 8inch long)
1.0 sinacorn
1.1 kenyan sand boas
0.1 mbk
0.1 albino nelsons
0.2 normal leo geckos
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.0.1 3 lined mud turtle

I talked to DNK over the phone seemed like a good guy, i like his patterned MBK but a local dealer in my town had a mess of pin-dots and now i have 7 MBK in my collection, lol! but i was able to get rid of some misc that were hoggin up valuble space, so it worked out well.

too bad that pattern isn't along it's back... did u breed those? do u have a pair.... are u plaing on holding them back and breedingthem to each other??

~Z
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I recieved 6 MBK in trade only one has the killer firebelly.
I hav'nt decided what i'll do with them. Glad you like, some arn't very impressed,lol!

Pack all those ugly mbk's up and especially that sick one with the tummy ache and send 'em over here. I have been specially trained to deal with illnesses of these kinds and if you don't stop tickling that snakes' belly while hand feeding YOU will be the one reported MISTER!!! Pink belly my @$$! Hope to get you a hand feeding pick of my longnose, not a king but cool snake!
Todd Hughes

please post a pic i am very much intrested in that genus.

Finally, camera comin' this weekend!!! I gotta lotta snakes that need glamour shots!
Todd Hughes

JETZEN - Every time I see that MBK it looks more and more like Phatty, my SDK. After seeing it again I got inspired to try and get some new photos of Phatty.

LOL - All I got for my trouble was covered with poop, musk, and slime. I think I'm gonna rename her again - to $hit Head!

Anyway, here's some old shots you might want to compare to you MBK. What do you think of her belly?

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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

King, the light colored specks on her belly ? were they pink/orange? i believe my firebelly will transform into a white or yellow speckledbelly. time'll tell

>>...the light colored specks on her belly ? were they pink/orange?

Not really, the color is off in that photo. They're more yellowish off-white. Note they are on the sides, not the center.

Did you notice what looks like pinkish-brown centers to the neck scales? I have to look at her again - never noticed that before. Maybe its a photo artifact?

You do see the resembleance though, don't you?

John D
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

i see a resemblence BUT when i study the CK,SDK,MBK western group i see a relative relationship between all three, go figure?
I see a relative relationship btwn these three that is much stronger and closer than any other getula ssp. including holbrooki(SK)

It's very similiar to what i see btwn SK and EBK.

And AK and EK.

FK to me seems to be an oddball.

I see a lot of strange stuff.

Somethin' about a cali's head throws them in a class by themselves to me. Bunch mbk, dk, and sk together, ebk is skXek,fk by themselves.
Todd Hughes

This is why i don't include SK in with the 3 westerns, CK; SDK; MBK all overlap each other where as SK only overlaps SDK on the western side of SK range and the EBK on it's eastern side. Let me know what you disagree with.

I’m sorry to interrupt but I don’t think it is MBK. It looks like Cal King to me.
I found this one in Pinal county Az.

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1.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher,
2.1 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
0.1 het leucistic Rusty ratsnake
2.3 W.C Okeetee Corn,
1.1 Abbt line Okeetee Corn,
1.2 W.C Miami Phase Corn
1.1 Sinaloan Milk,
1.0 Orange Pueblian Milk,
1.1 W.C Mexican Black King
1.0 W.C Cal King,
0.1 Durango Mountain King
1.0 Desert King,
1.2 Bearded Dragon
45 Tanks full with African Cichlids.
Many Mice, Rats and feeder Roaches

that is CK,MBK and SDK, i believe they are all variations of the same ssp. aka "WESTERN KING" and after i save up the money to have DNA work done i may have evidence to back up my ridiculous statement.

You probably right, I like the MBK and the “Dark Phase” CK. Great snakes.
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1.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher,
2.1 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
0.1 het leucistic Rusty ratsnake
2.3 W.C Okeetee Corn,
1.1 Abbt line Okeetee Corn,
1.2 W.C Miami Phase Corn
1.1 Sinaloan Milk,
1.0 Orange Pueblian Milk,
1.1 W.C Mexican Black King
1.0 W.C Cal King,
0.1 Durango Mountain King
1.0 Desert King,
1.2 Bearded Dragon
45 Tanks full with African Cichlids.
Many Mice, Rats and feeder Roaches

Well i'm surprized you agree, a lot people here try to flick me poop to push my button. But at least this place aint as bad as it used to be, a few years ago i would'nt post here because of the voltile nature of this forum.

About your W.C. MBK can we pleeeease see a pic, thanks in advance.

I need to get off my lazy a@@ and take some pic. I'll try to get them after work tomorrow.
The "westerns" are same size, same food, almost same habitat same temperament. My CK (the one in the pic) sure look like mix between MBK and CK or MBK and SDK.
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1.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher,
2.1 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
0.1 het leucistic Rusty ratsnake
2.3 W.C Okeetee Corn,
1.1 Abbt line Okeetee Corn,
1.2 W.C Miami Phase Corn
1.1 Sinaloan Milk,
1.0 Orange Pueblian Milk,
1.1 W.C Mexican Black King
1.0 W.C Cal King,
0.1 Durango Mountain King
1.0 Desert King,
1.2 Bearded Dragon
45 Tanks full with African Cichlids.
Many Mice, Rats and feeder Roaches

>>...My CK (the one in the pic) sure look like mix between MBK and CK or MBK and SDK.

Now see? If one were to produce such a cross by breeding an MBK to a SDK to a CK in captivity, some might call it a "Mutt", say it was "Impure" - HA!

Mother Nature gets to mess around all she wants!

Its still a King and its still COOL!

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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

Looks all splendida to me, but what the hell do I know?
Todd Hughes

what do you think?

The female (22" did not stayed still (in blue) so i put her in a box for the pic. The male (32" had a small rat earlier.
I'll get some better pic next week.

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1.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher,
2.1 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
0.1 het leucistic Rusty ratsnake
2.3 W.C Okeetee Corn,
1.1 Abbt line Okeetee Corn,
1.2 W.C Miami Phase Corn
1.1 Sinaloan Milk,
1.0 Orange Pueblian Milk,
1.1 W.C Mexican Black King
1.0 W.C Cal King,
0.1 Durango Mountain King
1.0 Desert King,
1.2 Bearded Dragon
45 Tanks full with African Cichlids.
Many Mice, Rats and feeder Roaches

W.C. MBK were supposed to have pattern? I am sooooo gulible!

>>...flick me poop...

Phatty did that all over me this evening. Gotta wash them genes.

>>About your W.C. MBK can we pleeeease see a pic, thanks in advance.

Second that!
All in favor?

AY!

The ays have it - produce pic forthwith!

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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

Nice King.

Just goes to show, new facts just make me more confused.

Pinal County? Near Globe? A long time ago I saw some awesome herps and creepy-crawlies around there.

RGDS

John D
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

Near Coolidge. I'm looking for a nice fat female for him.
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1.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher,
2.1 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
0.1 het leucistic Rusty ratsnake
2.3 W.C Okeetee Corn,
1.1 Abbt line Okeetee Corn,
1.2 W.C Miami Phase Corn
1.1 Sinaloan Milk,
1.0 Orange Pueblian Milk,
1.1 W.C Mexican Black King
1.0 W.C Cal King,
0.1 Durango Mountain King
1.0 Desert King,
1.2 Bearded Dragon
45 Tanks full with African Cichlids.
Many Mice, Rats and feeder Roaches

LOL - Phatty's a bit... er, I mean, gurl.
She's got permanent PMS.

LOL

JPD
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

My female is the same, i never know when she will "flip" on me.

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1.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher,
2.1 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
0.1 het leucistic Rusty ratsnake
2.3 W.C Okeetee Corn,
1.1 Abbt line Okeetee Corn,
1.2 W.C Miami Phase Corn
1.1 Sinaloan Milk,
1.0 Orange Pueblian Milk,
1.1 W.C Mexican Black King
1.0 W.C Cal King,
0.1 Durango Mountain King
1.0 Desert King,
1.2 Bearded Dragon
45 Tanks full with African Cichlids.
Many Mice, Rats and feeder Roaches

could domesticate those girls, no sweat!

>>could domesticate those girls, no sweat!
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Domesticate!? - Heck, he could ingestigate 'em!

JPD
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

appearences can be deceiving, i believe he is a sweetheart.

is a different story

>>is a different story
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DayUm bhwuoi!

Did you rescue the hapless cali, or did Goldbeg get his just desert?

Isn't it interesting he's consricting about where the heart would be!

Cheers,

JPD
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

Hell yeah! i rescued her she's my 2nd biggest cali girl.

Flame spot on the chin of a MBK? can you prove it? I lived in Missouri and i need evidence. EEE-HAW!, EEE-HAW!
do you think this is a eastern? well it was collected east of the missisip.

Here ya go. Sorry its not a better pic but he was jumpy that day. I took the pic outside during one of our Wisconsin snow storms.

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If I EVER find out you've been playing with your snakes in the snow AGAIN! YOU will be REPORTED to the HUMANE SOCIETY for the PREVENTION of CRUELITY to ANIMALS, this is NOT a THREAT IT'S a PROMISE!!!!!!!!!!!DO YOU UNDERSTAND????

Nop they are line bred to get a coat of warm fuzz over themselves starting in September. They all look like Catails by October...very creepy.

Keith
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where's the pic?