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I have babys, Well one at least. I got home tonight and as soon as I pulled in the garage I checked on my eggs and there was a wee head sticking out of one of them. Hopfully the rest will follow soon. The one baby is out and runing around his new 40G enclosure. I did have a question though. He/She has somthing hanging off him/her that almost looks like an umbilical. I am asuming thats what it is and it will dry up and fall off but I was wandering if I am correct how long untill it falls off? My son realy wants to hold it but I told him lets wait and see about that thing first. If its somthing ells any ideas?
Thanks a million. I will post pictures when I get them up loaded.
My Research and Collection

It is and its perfectly natural. Don't worry. It should dry up and fall off in a couple of days. Don't pull it off you could harm your hatchling.
They are new and exciting but to them you are a huge predator for now. I'd give it some time to adjust. I'd put it in a smaller enclosure for now with a few hides to help it feel more secure.
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1.0 Green Iguana
1.0 Bearded Dragon
0.1 Blizard Leopard Gecko
1.1.1 Corn Snakes (2 Blood Red, 1 Albino)
1.1 Ball Python

Sounds like a good idea. He/She looks so small is that big enclosure. How long should I expect before I start seeing more? None of the other eggs have even begun hatching yet. God I am going to be up all night
My Research and Collection

It usually took my eggs a day to get others to poke out. When I woke up in the morning, many more were pipping.
It is debate-able, some people assist the hatchlings after 24-48 hours after the first one pips. It is up to you.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

Jason, congrats.
Were you by chance proding/poking the snake, while it was in its egg? Usually snakes come out of the egg with umbilical cords if they were pestered into emerging too soon. You will want to keep the snake moist until the cord drops off.
Try to give the other little guys lots of privacy, so this won't happen to them as well. I am sure there are other reasons they may come out too soon, but that is the only one that I know of.
Good luck
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

I was not poking at it but I must admit I was being rather intrusive hangin my head over it just staring and my son was watching so maybe I just scared it I dont know. So if the rest are not out tomorow I should start cuting eggs opened? I would hate to open eggs up and find out they were not ready. Is there a particular reason why one would be ready before the others? He came out almost 6 hours ago and still the other eggs have not started hatching yet. Thanks for the help
My Research and Collection

The eggs can hatch several days apart. RELAX!!! Don't be so eager to cut at them. They will hatch when ready.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

As we say in Missouri, "I ain't goin back to Missouri!"

LOL I am sorry I was misunderstood. The last thing I want to do is cut them opened. Remember this is my first time doing this. Lots of questions. I am sorry if some of my questions and or comments on the matter sound unwarented.
FOOT HILL REPTILES

Sorry for the first 2 but they were taken with my camera phone. The rest are a little better. These are of the first one to emerge. Also sorry for the large size on the last 3





FOOT HILL REPTILES

is this a motley baby?? it sure looks like one.... oh well..congrats!!!!

~kin
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Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic{reduced black} het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou)
1.1 Anery het Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.1 Candy cane (no name yet) [Just a pet]
1. "Classic" looks like an Abbotts (no name yet)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
0.1 Blizzard (Blitz) was attacked by a cat and still living!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~

.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (no name, ideas welcome)

Like I said, helping the hatchlings is a personal choice. I know a couple people who make little snips in the eggs right after the first one hatches. You definitely do not want to go and make giant cuts in the egg or "slice it open". I assist after a day or two of the first pipping. Just know that assist hatching is available. Patients is a requirement to hatching corns!! lol.
good luck
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

I am not sure if the first one is Motley. The father of these snakes was a Motley Albino so its highly posable. The good new is I just woke up and ran out there and 3 more head are poping out WOO HOO. All 3 of thease are albinos as well. The mother was a regular Albino however I do not know what the granparents were so I am hoping top maybe get somthign ells out of this clutch. I know it sounds funny but I am kind of hoping to get a regular corn out of it. The first one dose apear very light in color, much light then iether parent but I dont know maybe it will darken in the coming weeks. All of these eggs that are hatching are eggs that never dented in. None of the eggs in this container ever dented. Unfortunatly out of the container where most of the eggs dented none of them have started hatching yet. I hope that dose not mean they are bad as it would greatly reduce the number of babys. Out of the contianer that is hatching now I only have 6 eggs. The other container that is not hatching has 11. Thanks for all the help
FOOT HILL REPTILES

If both parents are albino, you shouldn't get any normals and
Motleys don't have any checkers on their belly.

Ok thanks. I was under the impresion that if one of the grandparents or even there parents were normals then it would be posable to get them in this clutch. I will check for the checkers on the bellys, Thanks agan
FOOT HILL REPTILES

Jason,

No, if both parents are amels, there is no way to get any normals out of that clutch. That is true, regardless of what the previous generations held, because the only way for the parent snakes to be amels is if they both have two mutated genes for amelanism at the approriate DNA location. If they had anything else, they would not be amels, and since they are, we know they do not.

So...since they ONLY have the amel genes to offer their offspring from that DNA location (locus), we know that the offspring have a 100% chance of being amels themselves. That's how it all works.

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As to the other questions you were asking in this thread about cutting open eggs, I have to say that I have a different view than many, but mine has never caused me problems. I'm no big-time breeder by any means, but I have had hundreds of hatchlings over the years, and this is my perspective on hatching help:

Any animal that cannot extricate itself from its own egg is probably one that will not thrive, or even survive long, and it will probably be much more trouble to me than it is worth in the long run.

Now, the only real exception to that basic rule for me, is if I am dealing with really high end morphs. If I have a pied-sided bloodred baby struggling to get out of its egg, you better believe I'm helping that little guy out, because his genetics are just too precious to risk. But if I have a snow in the same predicament, well...he better get himself out of that egg.

I know that sounds cruel to some, but I view it as a culling technique as much as a financial necessity. Quite frankly, in most instances, an animal that cannot get out of the egg is probably going to be one that shouldn't breed on when it matures, if for no other reason than it is more likely to produce similarly helpless offspring.

Anyway...like I said, my view is different from other folk'. But after you breed them for a while, you get to where you see certain traits going hand in glove, and not being able to hatch is a big red flag for me.

Hope that helps a bit...
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

that trully makes sense. Especially with dealing with the non-feeders that I dealt with this year. I am still blaming that on bad genetics. lol
But, I have to take into some account the fact that many of the babies that we are referring to would never have made it to full term, if it weren't for the breeders. In nature, predators and weather changes, and other things cut down on the amount of eggs that hatch. With those thoughts, do you think that it is our responsibility to help those that we helped bring into the world, with as much effort as we can? I know, like many people say, some snakes were born to be food. I understand that. I think the point you made is a good one and valid. I just felt I should point out the other side of things.

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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints"

"With those thoughts, do you think that it is our responsibility to help those that we helped bring into the world, with as much effort as we can?"

I can see that side too, and I certainly can't argue with it. I just have found that the first hurdle of a snake's life is one that it must overcome itself. I have never had a snake I had to help out of the egg that then thrived afterwards, but that just may be coincidental.

There are no rules.

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

>>LOL I am sorry I was misunderstood. The last thing I want to do is cut them opened. Remember this is my first time doing this. Lots of questions. I am sorry if some of my questions and or comments on the matter sound unwarented.
>>FOOT HILL REPTILES

Jason,
Don't worry about it.
If you have a question...ASK
A bad question to one person could easily be a question a lot of other people may want an answer to, also.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I think all of my questions have been answered thus far. So far 4 snakes are out of the eggs. All are Motleys. I just got home from work and checked and 6 more eggs have been cut, just waiting for the babys to emerge. Maybe they will be out in the morning. Its been 31 hours since the first baby poked his head out, slowly but surly all others are folowing. From the noses I can see these are the same. I will elt everyone know if they are all Motleys as well. Is it commoin to get so many Motleys out of a clutch? The father is a Motley but the mother was not.
FOOT HILL REPTILES

Statistically speaking, you would only get 50% motlies and 50% normally patterned animals, since the female is only het for the mutation. But, that is only the probability, and the reality of any single breeding can be anywhere from no motlies to the whole clutch being so.

Like I always say...that Murphy is a funny guy! Congrats on your clutch!

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Don't misunderstand me. I was in no way trying to reprimand you. I am sorry if that post came off as harshe it was not at all intended that way.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

As we say in Missouri, "I ain't goin back to Missouri!"

No harm, We both misunderstood eachother. Anyhoo. So far 7 are out of the egg, All are Motleys. 5 more are on there way out. I was going to post more pictures but I think I will wait for the remaining ten eggs to hatch and post all the pictures in a new post.
FOOT HILL REPTILES