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They hatched!!!

artgeckko Sep 02, 2006 09:21 PM

So after a pensive 79 days of incubation, Oscar's and Grover's eggs have hatched!
Out of the original 32 eggs(28) of which were proposed to be fertile, so far 19 have hatched, five are in the process, two went bad earlier, and two are yet to start the hatching process.
To say the least I am thrilled. I have a few pictures of the hatching that I could not resist taking.
Will leave them alone for the rest of the night to allow them to complete the process.
Sometime between Wednesday night and today they hatched...Shortening the predicted time of 85-90day incubation time considerably.
Will post more pictures soon.
Food and advice for hatchlings: very, very, very, encougaged!!!!
Thanks .
Ed

Replies (13)

artgeckko Sep 02, 2006 09:22 PM

here is how that started......

cajit Sep 02, 2006 09:53 PM

That's classic!!

CONGRATS!!!!!!!
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Cajit
Clearwater,Florida,USA
URO'S RULE ALL!!!

1.0 Mali Uromastyx (OZ) DOUG DIX

jeune18 Sep 03, 2006 01:40 AM

oh my god, they are so precious and a big congrats. i am so jealous, xoco may just be in for a roommmate, ha ha
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vonnie
***The first law of dietetics seems to be: if it tastes good, it's bad for you. — Issac Asimov ***

debb_luvs_uros Sep 03, 2006 05:50 AM

Great to hear!!!!

"advice for hatchlings: very, very, very, encougaged!!!! "

Buy a lot more enclosures?

pgross8245 Sep 03, 2006 08:39 AM

Congratulations!!! What a thrill you must have felt to see all those little guys. It is always great to see successful breeding for the uros. Can you share information on what type of incubator you used, temp/humidity? I see you used perlite as a medium. I am hoping to be fortunate to get eggs next year and maybe not mess them up. Again, I wish you success with all your new babies. With that many mouths to feed you'll have to buy shares in a grocery store.

Pam
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1.1 varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Dorado & Dora)
1.1 u. macfadyeni (Amani & Abeba)
1.2 u. ornata (Husani, Zari, & Bintu)
1.1 u. maliensis (Njuru & Neo) Doug Dix
0.0.1 u. aegypticus (Halima)
0.1 pogona vitticeps (Sunni)
1.1 hyla chrysoscelis (Pudge & Squirt)

Herps Are Awesome!

artgeckko Sep 05, 2006 12:45 AM

Here is the type of incubator used...pretty unsophisticated really.

1Igloo ice chest 18.00
1 sterilite "tupperware" container 4.50
perlite 3.00
Spring water 3.00
good quality aquarium heater150 watt 50.00
Valid eggs...Probably the most important part. (Priceless, sorry could not resist)

Lots of luck , and lots of reading....

Here is what I did: This worked with my Chinese water Dragons many years back, so I tried it with the Uros...
the only difference is that in the ragons incubator I used vermeculite and green floral moss
Prior to egg deposition,Prepare the igloo ice chest with about six inches of spring water, add aquarium heater. Prepare perlite inside sterilte container add water until completely saturated. Turn container upside down to drain excess water(not completely) turn back upright and put entire container into microwave and (cook)sterilize for two minutes. Let cool, then place directly into ice chest with heater set to highest point to maintain 89-92F.(checked by two glass thermometers). check to see that this is maintained for a few days prior to egg collection. Place eggs once collected, spaced far enough so the eggs do not touch 3/4 buried into perlite substrate. Check every five days for air exchange and mold problems. I used a dry paper towel to remove excess condensation from the lid every other time. Please note I used extreme care when opening the lid to reduce the dripping of water onto the eggs. Also note that water did almost every time drop on the eggs. This could have been the cause for the few eggs that went moldy.
particular eggs were not noted as being wet more often than others, and there was no way of telling which were the eggs that hatched because the hatchlings moved the egg shells all over the incubator prior to opening.
77-79 days @ 90F humidity was never measured.
Water was added last Wednesday night, 3 tablesppons
Hatch happened shortly thereafter?
Eggs discovered Sat 1pm?

>>Congratulations!!! What a thrill you must have felt to see all those little guys. It is always great to see successful breeding for the uros. Can you share information on what type of incubator you used, temp/humidity? I see you used perlite as a medium. I am hoping to be fortunate to get eggs next year and maybe not mess them up. Again, I wish you success with all your new babies. With that many mouths to feed you'll have to buy shares in a grocery store.
>>
>>Pam
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>>1.1 varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Dorado & Dora)
>>1.1 u. macfadyeni (Amani & Abeba)
>>1.2 u. ornata (Husani, Zari, & Bintu)
>>1.1 u. maliensis (Njuru & Neo) Doug Dix
>>0.0.1 u. aegypticus (Halima)
>>0.1 pogona vitticeps (Sunni)
>>1.1 hyla chrysoscelis (Pudge & Squirt)
>>Herps Are Awesome!
>>

GregKnoell Sep 05, 2006 02:20 PM

Your incubation method sounds great, although I'd be a little worried about the amount of condensation and humidity for desert lizards species like Uromastyx.

It is interesting though how tolerant reptile eggs are and how little many reptile breeders realize this. I think humidity is way over rated. I worked at a reptile breeding facility for 5 years and we hatched hundreds of reptiles with great success in an incubator that ranged from only 50-85% humidity. The eggs included colubrids, bearded dragons, chameleons, ball pythons, Burmese pythons, retics, all types of tropical and desert gecko eggs, Uromastyx, basilisks, tortoises, jungle carpets, and more that escape me at the moment.

I think in artificial incubation for most reptile species the optimal range for humidity is about 80-85%. Otherwise you are more likely to have condensation problems & mould, especially if your have close to 100% humidity. The only way to eliminate that risk is to have a lot of ventilation but then it makes it harder to keep the humidity & temperature consistent.

Ventilation and temperature may be a little over rated as well. I have hatched bearded dragon eggs that cooled to the high 50's-low 60's at night and rose sometimes to the low-mid nineties during the day. And incubator ventilation is less important than egg container ventilation. In my experience, if you have an incubator at least 3 square feet in size then just opening it once a week for a few seconds is more that enough for most species. Provided that the egg/nest containers have ventilation.

Moreover, I have had colubrid, leopard gecko & bearded dragon eggs that were dropped/fell from 3-4ft down to the floor that still hatched with perfect little babies!

With this said, I am aware of some species that have very sensitive egg incubation requirements. Off the top of my head, San Estban Isle Chuckwallas, other chuckwalla ssp., South African & Madagascar tortoise species, also some chameleons sp. I believe that the problems that commonly occur w/ desert lizards such as chucks and uros is having too much humidity, these probably do best w/ only 50-70% humidity and very little ventilation so it stays consistent. If the humidity goes down because of too much ventilation, even for a short time, it may never go up enough for the eggs to recover from the loss of water that occurred.

Anyway...just some of my thoughts and experience...

Greg

pgross8245 Sep 08, 2006 08:24 AM

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I have printed out your post and will keep it for future reference. One question...do you have patio block or something that the egg container sits on? Did you do any modifications to the igloo and what size was it? How are all your little guys doing? Keep posting pictures, we all enjoy them. Thank you again, I appreciate it.

Pam
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1.1 varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Dorado & Dora)
1.1 u. macfadyeni (Amani & Abeba)
1.2 u. ornata (Husani, Zari, & Bintu)
1.1 u. maliensis (Njuru & Neo) Doug Dix
0.0.1 u. aegypticus (Halima)
0.1 pogona vitticeps (Sunni)
1.1 hyla chrysoscelis (Pudge & Squirt)

Herps Are Awesome!

artgeckko Sep 09, 2006 01:40 AM

Hey Pam-

There really has been no modifications to the igloo.
The egg container floats on the water that is heated...simply put.
I will post the dimensions of the igloo. It was brand new, and featured the newer insulation medium.
The little guys are eating shredded turnip greens at an amazing rate, and appear to be doing well.
Along with the turnip greens, I have been offering ground vegetable mix containing reptile supplement and calcium, ground lentils, peas, ground seeds, and ground Mazuri tortise pellets. The residual moisture of the vegs make the mixture a course mush. Seems to be readily taken....
Along with that I have been offering Mazuri pellets moistened and mashed in various locations.
Will post some new pictures soon.
They are relatively shy, so I try to limit my exposure.
Ed

>>Thank you for taking the time to reply. I have printed out your post and will keep it for future reference. One question...do you have patio block or something that the egg container sits on? Did you do any modifications to the igloo and what size was it? How are all your little guys doing? Keep posting pictures, we all enjoy them. Thank you again, I appreciate it.
>>
>>Pam
>>-----
>>1.1 varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Dorado & Dora)
>>1.1 u. macfadyeni (Amani & Abeba)
>>1.2 u. ornata (Husani, Zari, & Bintu)
>>1.1 u. maliensis (Njuru & Neo) Doug Dix
>>0.0.1 u. aegypticus (Halima)
>>0.1 pogona vitticeps (Sunni)
>>1.1 hyla chrysoscelis (Pudge & Squirt)
>>Herps Are Awesome!
>>

purduecg Sep 03, 2006 10:01 AM

ohhhh, Congratulations! They are so precious!!!! I cannot imagine watching them hatch. It is still hard for me to picture how they are all rolled up in the eggs to begin with! lol
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1.0 Mali Uro Archimedes (May he rest in peace)
0.0.1 Egyptian Uro Zuberi Mosca Khu (Mosca)
0.0 Fish
0.1 Sulcata Minnie
1.1 Iguanas Flik and Loki
0.1 Newfoundland Jasmine (RIP)
0.1 Feline Winter
Indiana & Wisconsin

artgeckko Sep 03, 2006 01:03 PM

>>ohhhh, Congratulations! They are so precious!!!! I cannot imagine watching them hatch. It is still hard for me to picture how they are all rolled up in the eggs to begin with! lol
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>>1.0 Mali Uro Archimedes (May he rest in peace)
>>0.0.1 Egyptian Uro Zuberi Mosca Khu (Mosca)
>>0.0 Fish
>>0.1 Sulcata Minnie
>>1.1 Iguanas Flik and Loki
>>0.1 Newfoundland Jasmine (RIP)
>>0.1 Feline Winter
>>Indiana & Wisconsin

artgeckko Sep 03, 2006 01:09 PM

oops hit the return key too fast.
Wanted to update the record. so far 24 have hatched..25 is in process: head and shoulders out...26 seems to be moving...27 looks discolored so I feel that one may not come out....
Will keep you posted!!!!
Ed
The current info seems to conclude that food may not be taken until after 3 days...any differing opinions?thnak goodness they are not aqdult size right now and hungry...could not imagine feeding 30 full size egyptians!!!
The funny thing is that they look a little curled up and clumsy for a while, then they move really,really fast!
Color variations are minimal...so far.

>>>>ohhhh, Congratulations! They are so precious!!!! I cannot imagine watching them hatch. It is still hard for me to picture how they are all rolled up in the eggs to begin with! lol
>>>>-----
>>>>1.0 Mali Uro Archimedes (May he rest in peace)
>>>>0.0.1 Egyptian Uro Zuberi Mosca Khu (Mosca)
>>>>0.0 Fish
>>>>0.1 Sulcata Minnie
>>>>1.1 Iguanas Flik and Loki
>>>>0.1 Newfoundland Jasmine (RIP)
>>>>0.1 Feline Winter
>>>>Indiana & Wisconsin

Bits9532 Sep 03, 2006 03:56 PM

Congrats! They are adorable!

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