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I was wondering the genetics behind trying to make a hypo motley with the CLASSIC Motley look. So far the only one has been Chris N. That is an awesome snake...Congrates on producing that one Chris! I have been looking at many but the ones that i have seen kind of look "UNCLEAN". IS there a certain Hypo blood line that can be used to hold that classic look?

From what I recall Chris used the Monstertail Hypo line to make the perfect pattern Hypo Motley. I could very well be wrong though. Jeremy Stone also figured out this year that a Arabesque Hypo Motley also keeps the Motley pattern very well. Hope this helps Vinnie

is the monstertail hypo ine the same as the orangtail line? thanks for the info.

No, but now that you mention it I think it may have been Orangetail line. Vinnie

but I think it is the Orangetail/Gee line that holds the pattern. My only Hypo is a Gee line and she has a very broad saddled pattern. Salmons tend to reduce pattern and cause abberancies, which is bad if you want to keep a classic Motley pattern.

It all depends on how the Hypo line you are using was selectively bred.

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I am not sure on this....but I am of the understanding that the Salmon Hypo line plays with pattern....but when people use the Gee line Hypo orange tails the pattern holds true....Please help anyone who knows more...Thanks Andy
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So it is the orangetail line indeed...do you guys have any references to who has selectively breed orangetail hypos? I have asked a couple of people and they too have told me the same.

Well, these were basically stillborn, and the pic is horrid, but these hypo motleys did keep a classic pattern and were produced from our CA line motleys(which tend to have less consistent patterns than the col. line) bred to a female "Orange tail" hypo. Hopefully we can duplicate this result, but have them live next time around. Take care

Paul M.

the pattern C.A. Motleys typically hold, that is proof that the Orange Tail Hypo is the way to go to hold a strong pattern. Sorry it didn't work out, but you know the potential!

The Hypo Motleys are EXREEMLY varying and it has NOTHING to do with what line of Hypo is used. Salmon/Gee etc... This year and last year I used Both with the Motley and I have produced a HUGE variance in pattern of the Hypo Motley. My first ever Hypo Motleys were made with an Orange tail, and none of them were "Strong in Motley Pattern".

I produced the Dame that Chris used in his Hypo Motley litter, and I can say without a doubt that it is Random. Chris has the golden goose at his house. Every thing that dude touches turns into gold. I would love to go to Vegas with Chris if I gambled. LOL (Just kidding Chris)

Many of My Hypo Motleys this year did retain more pattern, and some did not. If you look at Pete Kahls litters on his birthing record page, he used a CA Motley to a CA Hypo, and NONE of them look to hold the Motley pattern. They have more pattern, and that is because they are CA. I have produced a few that are similar to chris's, but not as close in pattern.

With Numbers to base my opinion on, I'm confident it doesn't matter what Hypo you use. You'll produce Motleys that are WHACKY no matter what. The Hypo gene no matter what bloodline, just makes the Motley pattern go Bizurk. Like Vinnie mentioned, the Hypo Arabesque was the only thing I can say with opinion that makes the Motley pattern come back when you use the Hypo gene. I would like to do some more breedings to see if that holds true, and I will try this year again with that breeding. It was a cool breeding, but they were all still born.

I personally love the Varying looks of the Hypo Motley, but I do think they would be COOL as heck with the Strong Motley pattern too. That is where I'm excited to bring the Carmel Albino VPI line in. I know other people who don't like the Hypo Motley as much as normal Motleys, and that is fine too. Everyone likes different looks and genes. The Color on the Hypo Motleys makes up for the lack or whack of pattern if you ask me too.

My 2 Cents...

Jeremy Stone

Hey Jeremy, I know we've covered this topic before. I still disagree a little. I fully agree that the pattern is going to be random and you will never be able to predict with any certainty what will be produced. However, from what we've seen...and the numbers are HUGE with everyone breeding hypos and salmons....the salmon trait will throw reduced or abberant patterned animals more often than the orange-tail/gee line hypos. Again, they can both do it, so can a normal. I'd be over a barrel trying to explain the hypo arabesque x motley breeding keeping the pattern. It seems like most hypo arabesques have had lousy arabesque patterns. NOT ALL....but most! The last time we discussed this it was dealing with salmontines I believe. I still think had Mike used a hypo originally over a salmon, the argentine pattern MAY have been more prevelant from the onset of that project. The tendency toward reduced patterns that we've seen in salmons is one reason we chose orange tail hypos for our sunglow projects. Does it make a bit of difference? We THINK it does, but it's all just a matter of opinion based upon everyones own experience anyway. This is all just my opinion, so don't take it as anything more. By the way Jeremy, if you read this and get a chance...give me a call! I'd like to ask you about a couple things. Take care

Paul M.
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