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the vet called yesterday and said he had died that morning.

apparently they have gangrene (sp?). my take was that you had to have an open wound to get that and not have your tail and toes start falling off.

i am to the point of giving up
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vonnie

***Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. Oscar Wilde ***

Hi Vonnie,

I'm sorry this is happening to all your babys. As for gangrene I think my dad once told me people got it from having there feet in the water in the war trenches for so long. Strange your lizards have it.

-Nicole & baby Aspen

I really sorry to hear that.

Gangrene can have different causes. It doesn't have to be started by an open wound. It can be caused by a systemic bacterial infection, or impaired blood flow to the affected area (i.e. in diabetic patients' feet for example). My guess is Griff had a systemic infection. My Millie had one, and she lost most of her toes as a result. I got really lucky and I was able to arrest the spread of the infection with Baytril and a topical antibiotic, but it was touch and go for a while.

I understand your feelings that it's time to give up. I've been there, and I did give up for several years. But I couldn't stay away from collareds for forever; they're too firmly nestled in my heart. My suggestion is that you keep on with what you have left, and if you lose them all, give it some time before getting any more. I don't know what bugs killed all my lizards, but after years of letting my cages sit empty, and then a thorough cleaning with bleach and scalding hot water, I managed to get rid of the pathogens, and all my new collareds have been fine.

You'll get through this, I promise.

élan

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5.6.0 Collareds
1.2.0 Leopard Lizards
1.0.0 Mali Uromastix
1.2.0 Green Anole
1.0.0 Chinese Dwarf Newt
1.0.0 White's Treefrog
1.0.0 Fire bellied toad
1.0.0 Treefrog (Alabama native)
Even More Felines
1.3.0 Canines
1.0.0 Equine

Holy cow, Vonnie, I'm so sorry! I just don't even know what to say anymore. It's devastating.
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Torey
Eugene, Oregon, USA
1.1 Saharan Uros (Joe and Arthur)
3.1 Mali Uros (Spike, Turtle, Tank, and Lilly)
1.1 Ornate Uros (Scuttlebutt and Shazzbot)
0.1 Collared Lizard (Rorschach)
2.1 Green Anoles (Bowser, Sprocket, Leeloo)
1.1 Chubby Housecats (Roscolux and Jenny)

Its always sad to lose one let alone several. It's no consolation but its good to have a diagnosis though so you can take precautions. I hope you dont give up on collared keeping altogether, you're such a good mom.

i don't want to give up on collareds forever, i have one tattooed on my back. but i really think there is something wrong with this house, mold or something else and i can't afford to live anywhere else since it is for free. curse the cheap adjunct pay. i would send my lizards off to someone or to my parents if i didn't think i was going to infect anyone else, at least until i could live somewhere safe for them.

ivan is having trouble pooping like her now dead cagemate. i have had her for almost four years. losing her will be a true blow to the heart, she left charleston with me, moved to san diego and west virginia. i just want to say curse words that i will probably lose her.

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vonnie

***Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. Oscar Wilde ***

Start her on Baytril if you haven't already.

I cried for days straight when I lost my favorite lizards years ago. I know how much it hurts. I'm sure sorry you're going through this, Vonnie.

élan
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5.6.0 Collareds
1.2.0 Leopard Lizards
1.0.0 Mali Uromastix
1.2.0 Green Anole
1.0.0 Chinese Dwarf Newt
1.0.0 White's Treefrog
1.0.0 Fire bellied toad
1.0.0 Treefrog (Alabama native)
Even More Felines
1.3.0 Canines
1.0.0 Equine

Vonnie, I'm so very sorry your losing all your lizards, I know how terrible this is and how awlful you must be feeling.

** I just am so surprised these Vets have not one answer for you in all these weeks. I have known you long enough to ask, who exactly is left, without upsetting you? Counting the uros?

Are you washing your hands before going from one tank to the other right now?

Again, such a darn shame about Griff , and the others.
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PHEve / Eve

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i use this virucide/antibacterial stuff. there was a week there when no one was presenting that they were sick and walter never had any of these symptoms.

helga, hugo and xoco are in WV with my parents because of space reasons and now health reasons. none of them are sick. i thought i spoiled them but their grandma has turned them into thick pancakes with legs.

i am assuming jolly and lucia are still alive but i don't know for certain and the vet is closed today. midge, ivan and kaiser are alive. i am worried about ivan because she is straining to poop like griffin was. she pooped a little this morning. everytime she strains though, clear liquid comes out. i have been giving her some antibiotics, mineral oil and soaks.

all three are in different cages. lucia and jolly were in with midge. hopefully it will stay away from here. so far she is her normal busy self.

all the lizards live on paper towels and have all summer, i think someone asked me that question once
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vonnie

***Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. Oscar Wilde ***

drinking water, as far as changing from one place to another when you moved? Could their be something in the water different?
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PHEve / Eve

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well water changes everywhere you move. but if the water is killing them then what is it doing to the rest of us. most of the time though i give them bottled water. only when they soak do they get regular water
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vonnie

***Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. Oscar Wilde ***

I know you are doing everything you can. It's frustrating and heartbreaking. You and your lil lizards are in my thoughts and prayers.
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Valerie

We may have all come on different ships, but we're in the same boat now.
--Martin Luther King, Jr.--

God bless the USA

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That really sucks Vonnie and I'm really sorry for what you are going through and have gone through this summer. It is frustrating when you are sitting there and can't figure out what/who/or why things are going the way they are going. Keep that chin up and try to keep a positive outlook.

I would recommend not only for your lizard's health but your own to perhaps get an enviromental test done on your house. Regarding the molds in the house and what can be done about it all, I do think that the mold spores in the house tie into what's happened this summer. I sure would hate to read a post about You getting something.

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