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How old and what size should a retic be breeding.Could a year and a half old female breed.
I am trying to get a list of retic morphs together. Not including dwarfs.
So far i have.
Silver
Tiger
S.tiger
Calico
Albino
Black retic
Blond retic
Type 2 albino
Granite backs
Patternless
What is your favorite!
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Thomas Jones
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Tiger Retics Rule!!

my favorite morh is white calico and the tiger calico that nerd has

I really like those as well. I do not like the black retic.
>>my favorite morh is white calico and the tiger calico that nerd has
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Thomas Jones
aligatorhunter@earthlink.net

Tiger Retics Rule!!

I am kind of torn between the super tigers, the tigers, and the albinos for being my favorite to look at. On different days I have different favorites. And not all supers. Some are downright ugly. But the supers I got from Bob are just INCREDIBLE! As yellow as the yellowest daisy, I never tire of looking at them. four of my female tigers are also incredible in different ways. Two of them are a high yellow through and through, with almost white heads, and two are yellow with yellow heads. The rest are more of a clasic looking tiger, which I also like and specifically asked for when I got them. But my favorite morph of them all is not even a reticulated morph. Above all others I like the granite burms. I think they are the best looking and can look at them for hours. I especially love the steel-black eyes that contrast so nicely with the pink/beige color of their heads. You just can't beat that.

>>How old and what size should a retic be breeding.Could a year and a half old female breed.
>> I am trying to get a list of retic morphs together. Not including dwarfs.
>>So far i have.
>>Silver
>>Tiger
>>S.tiger
>>Calico
>>Albino
>>Black retic
>>Blond retic
>>Type 2 albino
>>Granite backs
>>Patternless
>> What is your favorite!
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>>Thomas Jones
>>aligatorhunter@earthlink.net
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>> Tiger Retics Rule!!
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

The granite backs! The older the snakes get the better looking and more granitey the pattern seems to become! If you havent seen them in person you may not understand, but once you do your jaw will hit the ground. They are awesome!! Not to mentiond double hets!!

And in a close second comes the calicos. Especially high whites.

Please stop calling these a morph untill they are proven. When you breed these back to either parent and get proven babies I'll eat a big old slice of humble pie but untill then it's just false advertising.

According to the Mirriam-Webster Dictionary:

Main Entry: 1morph
Pronunciation: 'morf
Function: noun
Etymology: back-formation from morpheme
Date: 1947

2 a : a local population of a species that consists of interbreeding organisms and is distinguishable from other populations by morphology or behavior though capable of interbreeding with them b : a phenotypic variant of a species

Since the granite-backed retics are certainly a phenotypic variant of a species, there is nothing wrong with calling them a morph. At this point, we are determining to what extent they are also a GENOTYPIC variant of a species. Since we've twice been able to produce them from breeding our Axanthic retic to our White Calico, it makes sense to think that there may be more going on there to meet the eye...I mean, it's not exactly like Kevin went through a big bag of WC retic hatchlings, took out all the ones that look the same and pulled a name out of his @$$. He's been doing this long enough to make an educated guess, especially when it comes down to animals that he's produced from selective breeding.

While we won't know 100% the recipe behind the GB retics until we start breeding them back to each other & the parents, we still have some learning to do with this particular morph, but there's certinaly no harm done in calling them one, especially when you consider that full information & background behind the bloodlines & breeding of these snakes has always been disclosed as well.

Just my $.02

Kara - NERD
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THe owrld is full of critics Kara! I am with you 100%.
Not sure if you mentioned it (I only skimmed your post), I would say they ARE a "morph" since the SAME babies were produced YET AGAIN this year by the same parents. Cannot quite call that a fluke now can we folks.
Once you and Kevin, Andy, and myself (not to mention others who have them) breed them, the same people will come back wanting a pair.
All in good fun!
Brian

Whens the next photo shoot gonna be?? Get us some more pics in the sun so we can all be insanely jealous again!

How are yours looking size wise??

I swear mine are growing very slowly compaired to my other retics and considering the food that Im stuffing down there throat. Im trying to figure out if others are noticing this same thing with there animals. Especially considering the fact that both Anthrax and Ivy are pretty small as far as retics go.

Hey Andy,
I'll take some new shots soon. I don't think I ever took any in the natural light outside, but I will this time.

Most of my girls are either breeding size, or just a couple months (a foot or two) away from being ready. But it's perfect for this coming season. I am already pairing up some albinos and tigers het, but no action yet. You know how the tics are,. THEY decide when they want to breed, not us. I will be cooling my granites het and my albino granites either this week, or next week for an early production next March or April. Those gals are huge, but I am still packing in a few last minute rabbits every few days for added reserves for optimum egg development.

Are Anthrax and Ivy your albinos? Or wasn't one tiger het albino? I don't quite remember. Or are they the new calicos you got?

Thanks for posting. And no hard feelings from the other day.

>>Whens the next photo shoot gonna be?? Get us some more pics in the sun so we can all be insanely jealous again!
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>>How are yours looking size wise??
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>>I swear mine are growing very slowly compaired to my other retics and considering the food that Im stuffing down there throat. Im trying to figure out if others are noticing this same thing with there animals. Especially considering the fact that both Anthrax and Ivy are pretty small as far as retics go.
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

Brian,

I would really like to see some pics of your collection as well, but I was actually talking about Brian Oakley(should of specified that) Im trying to keep track of the progression from others that have babies from anthrax to poison ivy(which is NERDs anery to awesome white calico) This breeding is what produced the granite backed retics. From what I have seen from my animals and heard from others with the animals they seem to be going through some exciting changes as they mature i.e. the pattern in the last 2/3 or the body seems to be breaking up and leaving a larger granite pattern going down the entire length or the snake. And the black in them seems to be coming in more and more with each shed.

Like I said pretty exciting stuff

My bad. I am used to folks referring to me on a first name basis around here.

That does sound very exciting. I want to get into the calicos too. I skipped on it last year because I think they were not proven yet at that time. (or something like that). But I am certainly raising an eyebrow now at some of these pictures I have been seeing lately (not necessarily here, but in other forums as well).

>>Brian,
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>>I would really like to see some pics of your collection as well, but I was actually talking about Brian Oakley(should of specified that) Im trying to keep track of the progression from others that have babies from anthrax to poison ivy(which is NERDs anery to awesome white calico) This breeding is what produced the granite backed retics. From what I have seen from my animals and heard from others with the animals they seem to be going through some exciting changes as they mature i.e. the pattern in the last 2/3 or the body seems to be breaking up and leaving a larger granite pattern going down the entire length or the snake. And the black in them seems to be coming in more and more with each shed.
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>>Like I said pretty exciting stuff
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

>>Please stop calling these a morph untill they are proven. When you breed these back to either parent and get proven babies I'll eat a big old slice of humble pie but untill then it's just false advertising.
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

The question was what is your favorite morph. I answered that question, plain and simple. Granite back was even on the list for christs sake.

My post had nothing to do with you, grow up.

I am with you there Andy!
I will have to post some new pics here this weekend, they are growing and changing alot. Mine are developing a gold "hue" or "tint" down their back and SILVER along the sides now..........more than before.
Be good,
Brian Oakley

a male can be ready to breed in a year to 18mos, A 1.5yr old female COULD breed she'd would need some really good body weight. It is more likely for a female to breed at 2-4yrs of age.

Black Retic
Blonde Retic
Patternless Retic
Granite Backed Retic

Are not morphs!!!! None of these have been proven.

The blonde maybe, but unless someone else has babies I know Bob is still a year away from proving out his pair.

If we start calling every different looking retic a morph we will be no better than those silly Ball Python people.

Wait till its proven.....

Tiger
Super Tiger
Albino (Clark and Kahl)
Calico (although HIGHLY variable)

That's really what we got so far...... any other proven morphs I'm missing????

They are obviously different from the normal retic. So it is tech. a morph. I do not see a flucuation in incubator temps causing them to look like that. Breeding them and producing babies that look like the parents only proves it is gentic. It is still a morph!

>>Black Retic
>>Blonde Retic
>>Patternless Retic
>>Granite Backed Retic
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>>Are not morphs!!!! None of these have been proven.
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>>The blonde maybe, but unless someone else has babies I know Bob is still a year away from proving out his pair.
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>>If we start calling every different looking retic a morph we will be no better than those silly Ball Python people.
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>>Wait till its proven.....
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>>Tiger
>>Super Tiger
>>Albino (Clark and Kahl)
>>Calico (although HIGHLY variable)
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>>That's really what we got so far...... any other proven morphs I'm missing????
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Thomas Jones
aligatorhunter@earthlink.net

Tiger Retics Rule!!