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...it appears this site has been monitored.....USFW has passed blanket protection on all lizard species..both native and introduced....any collection will be a violation of the lacey act and many other acts.....some not even thought of yet....not only will your equipment and vehicle be impounded....but your immediate family will be transported to an undiscloced location and all your finances will be frozen....so, before you snatch that uta...think...."DO I FEEL LUCKY???"....well...doya..PUNK????

Are you saying that this would supersede the state law in collecting ? Well........if true i guess it would as being the United States Federal Wildlife. And if true, can we expect the next blanket of proposals and passing of any reptile ? If ya think back, this is not news of thoughts and thoughts of proposals though in my knowledge of my years. In Missouri back in the 70ties, there was a state proposal on ANY animal thought to be exotic or was termed as exotic against transporting, keeping, selling, etc. The only thing was that it would of been an inclusion of parakeets and goldfish. The USFW also had an agenda back some years ago on ANY species of boa whether native or not to be against transporting, collecting, keeping, selling, importing, etc.
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

For Jokes...

I doubt any regulation like that will take place. No need to scare the natives...

Steven

because as in the other mentioned cases, not thought out in the very expanse situ. And again, as other proposals and passing of, while it would be of federal consequences and not a misdemeanor, would they pursue a child on the grounds of a federal case ? Nah ! Not the magnitude in my opinion ! .........from what I have been reading about the USFW, they have enough problems re-introducing or pull out of re-introducing other wildlife like the Grizz and wolf. At least that is what I think I have just read.
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

Sounds like your pharmacist got the prescriptions mixed up again…

right about my medication..........why the HUH ? for, Or in other words Lance, what is it you don't understand in my post ? OIC....maybe there's that AGE gap of mine that thinks EVERY ONE over the age of 40 should understand me , huh ? LOL !
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

But I am most of the way there, that is for sure

I think after a review or three, I get the jist of it.

USFW has enough to deal with already, it is nearly impossible to re-condition an animal for release back into the wild, such as their work with Grizzlys and Wolfs. Also it is not likely that such a broad measure would be set up, it would be a nightmare to enforce much less fund. Who would want to see a minor brought up on federal charges because they caught a lizard in their back yard.

Was I close?

I could throw a rock there. The USFW has this issue of ranchers and wolf re-releasing that it is not even funny. Some are of federal parks systems and the migration of animals making their way out of the parks onto private lands.
I don;t know about our beloved area of the Big Bend national park. I thought that it was a migration of a natural occurrence of the Mexican bear but there is some speculation on that now if it might of been some help there by.........only rumored though and I don't give into rumors. Yeah , sure i don't ! LOL ! But we see now that they ( the bear ) are causing problems and it is conceived as just a matter of time before a major incidence happens with an encounter of bear versus human. I'm not one to say if the bear should be there or not but with that fairly new sign driving up to the Chisos now including the bear with the mountain lion......
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

>>I could throw a rock there. The USFW has this issue of ranchers and wolf re-releasing that it is not even funny. Some are of federal parks systems and the migration of animals making their way out of the parks onto private lands.
>>I don;t know about our beloved area of the Big Bend national park. I thought that it was a migration of a natural occurrence of the Mexican bear but there is some speculation on that now if it might of been some help there by.........only rumored though and I don't give into rumors. Yeah , sure i don't ! LOL ! But we see now that they ( the bear ) are causing problems and it is conceived as just a matter of time before a major incidence happens with an encounter of bear versus human. I'm not one to say if the bear should be there or not but with that fairly new sign driving up to the Chisos now including the bear with the mountain lion......
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>>I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

are most likely migrating from the Sierranas del Burro. In fact I read where that they confirmed two populations through DNA and one was from Sierranas del Burro where there is a large healthy population of Black Bear and Mountain Lions.

If you google that range the first three pages will all relate to the supr cells that form over that range, it continually gets three times as much rain as anything anywhere near there.

I'll bet there's some juicy alterna in that range, and enough lizards to feed them for eons (joke!)

The mission of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is to administer the Endangered Species Act of 1973, as amended. The Act is intended to protect, recover, and conserve existing biodiversity resources for future generations. Unless the species in question (in this case, certain lizards) are already listed as either 1)endangered or 2)threatened under the Act(or are candidates for listing), the agency has no mandate to protect such species or jurisdiction to prohibit their take.

The listing process is both protracted and complicated (especially with the continual interjection of economic and political interests), and the USFWS cannot arbitrarily invoke protection of any species without a specific process of substantial study, public review, and economic impact evaluation before listing can be made. In rare circumstances, an emergency listing can be made (not to exceed 180 days) if a species, subspecies, or significant population unit is under immediate threat of a substantial decline or direct extinction. Such a listing is a stop-gap measure, pending futher biological and economic review leading to implementation of the formal listing process, which often takes several years to accomplish.

At best, this would be a state issue under the provisions of that state's own Environmental Quality Act and particular game or wildlife agency regulations limiting the number of individuals taken (bag limit), or prohibiting take (full protection) of a species. Any information you may encounter to the contrary that is outside of the legally mandated state or federal process is complete bunk.

But I think he was jerking our chain anyway

Or was he.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
you guys are killin' me . . . .

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

I hear that they will me taking arial photos with some previously retired U2 Spy planes to collect data on actually how many lizards are being plucked off the rocks. With this information they will be able to determine if the lizards should be protected or just make everyone get a special "game" license being they are now hunted for food. All this lizard talk is too muck to handle. I've had a change of heart and I think I'll just order some more mice and sprinkle their food with synthetic lizard dust.
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Steve W.

You frickin nerds! Have to admit I was laughing out loud...

LG